SEEKING ADVICE ON DIARRHEA

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Alison

Post   » Thu Jan 31, 2002 10:50 am


BB has the supply of Oxbow Timothy Hay + Cavy Cuisine + Xtra C + Critical Care.

I will keep you posted of the situation after the visit to my vet on Saturday.

Lastly, have anyone heard that a guniea pig may suffer from inflammatory. I read from the Internet that it happens with doggie.

If that is not inflammatory, any clue on what cause the diarrhea?

pinta

Post   » Thu Jan 31, 2002 8:32 pm


Have parasites been ruled out? Has the poop been chacked for them. Considering the diarrhea starts and then goes away and then comes back I would be suspicious that she is being reinfected/reinfested. Many parasites are extremely hard to find in samples. You might have to get 3 or 4 samples analysed to spot the culprit.

Unwashed vegetables or even bad water can be contaminated with parasites. Recently news reports have said that sprouts can imbibe bad stuff up thru the root system and washing will do nothing to eradicate it.

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Alison

Post   » Fri Feb 01, 2002 10:01 am


Parasite have been ruled out also. (skin scrapping has been done and found no mites / lice / mange. ) That´s why my vet try the anti-inflammatory. She´s doing fine at the moment. The dropping again seems to firm out (though still very soft).

I will ask my vet to do the skin scrapping and one more culture tomorrow.

I have stopped all greens 2 months ago when BB start diarrhea.

I am very sad with BB´s getting on and off with the problem. (Poor little girl!)

Thanks for the kind advice of everyone in the forum. If anyone knows anything regarding inflammation, please post.

pigpal

Post   » Fri Feb 01, 2002 1:01 pm


I think Pinta was referring to internal parasites, rather than those that live on the pig´s skin. Something like worms perhaps? I believe it is uncommon but not unheard of, I´ll try to find some more information for you.

Josephine provided the following information in an old post on this subject:

Cavies rarely get worms . There are various classes, of which nematodes are one. Generally, they must eat/come into contact with contaminated veggies/grass. It would seem quite plausible that most cavies that are infected with worms would do so through animal droppings on grass. Dogs cats, birds, and mice seem the most common contaminants. It just cautions one to wash all grass thouroughly or make sure that there is not any chance for contaminants.

Ivermectin will take care of many of these parasites if given orally or by injection. I would be very careful if giving OTC wormers, since many are not safe to use in cavies and/or are not very effective. Cavies have very delicate digestive tracts. I would normally not see a need to deworm a cavy at all, especially for an apparently healthy cavy.


Alison, when your vet examined a fecal sample and ruled out giardia, do you know if he was also checking for other parasites such as nematodes?

When you refer to "inflammatory" is your veterinarian talking about inflammatory bowel disease or just inflammation?
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pinta

Post   » Fri Feb 01, 2002 2:52 pm


Cryptosporidium is one of the bugs that can cause diarrhea. The pig can be reinfected by its environment if the "bugs" aren´t totally cleaned out. The term the med books use is protozoal diarrhea.

The "bugs" can be found via fecal examination or identified by histopathologic examination of the brush border of mucosal epithelial cells.

Sorry, no clue what that means - I assume a vet would.

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Alison

Post   » Sat Feb 02, 2002 1:22 pm


Hi, cavy lovers.

I have brought BB to the vet again today.

Comments from vet:
- Better
- Stools almost formed
- Inj depo 0.05 ml
- may need steroids intermitantly

My vet refer to inflammatory bowel disease. He said this may be the genetic problem which become surface when BB enters her middle age. He suggest to continue the treatment of injection of Depo Medrol 0.05ml (a 10 day course) and see if this help.

I will be on business trip tomorrow (has been delayed for two months) and back on midnight next Friday. BB will be under care of my mother and brothers. I am very worry and will phone BB everyday to check.

I will bring BB to the vet again next Saturday.

I will leave the forum for a few days and will keep posted the latest info. of BB once back.

God bless BB! She´s just 3 years old. And she is so lovely little creature. She will definitely get through the problem.

Goodnight!

Alison
P.S. This forum is wonderful for the cavy lovers from all over the world to communicate and help each other. Thanks.

pigpal

Post   » Sat Feb 02, 2002 1:31 pm


I´m so glad BB is doing better.

I´ve heard of dogs, cats and ferrets suffering from IBD but not guinea pigs before, although I know they are used in medical research on IBD in humans. I guess most people are not as caring as you are and don´t keep bringing their guineas back to the vet to find out what the problem is. Most people won´t spend a lot on guinea pigs, strange though it seems to us. I know in dogs and cats, IBD is often treateable with special diets and sometimes steriods. I hope your vet is correct and the treatment works for BB.

Good luck.

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Alison

Post   » Sat Feb 02, 2002 5:47 pm


Thanks, pigpal.

I have to leave in 10 minutes. Anyone who have similar experience please continue to post in the forum. Your info. may help my little piggie.

I will check the forum before I go to the vet next Saturday.

Bye!

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Alison

Post   » Sat Feb 09, 2002 9:50 am


I am back from the business trip.

I have brought BB to the vet today. Faeces are still soft, but in shape. I request the vet to do a second culture / sensitivity test. Results will be available on Monday.

Microscope Faecal Smear / urine has been done => confirmed no giardia. The vet said the culture should tell whether there is other parasites / bad bacteria. He suggest to continue KP + Critical Care and will decide what to do when the result of second culture is available.

BB is still doing fine, though sometimes reluctant to take the medicine.

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Alison

Post   » Mon Feb 11, 2002 4:30 pm


Second culture result = no growth => no bad bacteria

My vet also does not understand the reason why diarrhea goes and return. He now suggest to try ´trimazole´ for which is a medicine which clears yeast / cocccidia. On the other hand, he also refers me to another exotic specialist for second opinion.

I decide to take BB to the exotic specialist. I also decide not to use ´trimazole´ until the consultation.

Anyone who has ever heard coccidia, please post on the forum. Thanks.

pigpal

Post   » Mon Feb 11, 2002 5:26 pm


Coccidia are protozoan parasites. Here´s a link to more information:

http://www.provet.co.uk/health/diseases/coccidiosis.htm

I don´t have any experience with this in my pigs, but I hope the information is helpful. Good luck with the second opinion, it seems the vet should be able to diagnose coccidia through a fecal flotation.
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Alison

Post   » Mon Feb 11, 2002 9:53 pm


Thanks, pigpal. The information is very useful.

Here we have the Chinese New Year. All the vets will be closed during the holiday. I will bring BB and the info. to the exotic specialist once available. I will ask for a fecal flotation. Thanks again.

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Alison

Post   » Fri Feb 22, 2002 1:07 pm


I have brought BB finally to the exotic specialist on Feb 15. Instead of parasite, the specialist conclude that BB has a messy flora gut which cause the diarrhea. He gave me a probiotics - Avipro and asked me to give BB a little bit twice a day. Besides, he asked me to stop all the KP and Critical Care.

Apparently, the Avipro cleared up the problem. The stool was in shape! I went back to the specialist on Feb 18. The vet examined again the stool and found a lot of fibre. He checked BB from head to tail (if she has any) and concluded that BB was a very healthy pig. He asked me to continue the Avipro for a couple of weeks.

BB is now sitting in my lap when I write this message. I hope she will totally recover from the problem when I stop the Avipro some days later.

All in all, I would like to conclude:-

BB suffers from diarrhea -> Baytril -> mess up the flora gut -> probiotics to clear up the problem.

This may be the reason that all test for parasite / bacteria is negative. The problem is out there in her intestine. The specialist also told me that at least half a bag of Critical Care to provide a guniea pig like BB with sufficient ´good´ bacteria. Thus, to restore the balance, probiotics like Avipro should be used.

I am very pleased to see BB getting better and better now. Well, I have spent around US$700 to take BB to the vet in the past two months. I still think it´s worthwhile because this saves my favorite pig´s life.

Thanks very much for the concern and advice from all the cavy lovers here.

pigpal

Post   » Fri Feb 22, 2002 1:27 pm


I sure hope that´s the solution to BB´s problems. Thanks for keeping us updated and for persevering in your rather expensive efforts to help BB, I´m sure she´s worth every cent you spend on her.

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Feb 22, 2002 4:04 pm


I hope this is the solution too. Let us know if things continue as well. And thanks for sharing your experiences. Maybe there will be someone out there who will try Avipro and have such good results.

By the way, you said the vet asked you to stop all the KP and Critical Care. What is KP?

pigpal

Post   » Fri Feb 22, 2002 5:21 pm


Kaopectate.

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Alison

Post   » Sat Feb 23, 2002 12:52 pm


Yeah, pigpal got it correctly. According to the vet, KP is a medicine that slows down the movement of the intestine and allows the bacteria to digest the food. This is a mild (and natural ???) medicine to reduce diarrhea.

I have cut the Avipro to once a day. BB is working fine with that amount. I will keep posted the latest info..

By the way, I have stopped all the greens for almost 2 months. The vet asked me not to give veggie to the guniea pig. Other than veggies, any fruit that is suitable for guniea pig?? In the past, I provide apple, banana, baby corns, baby carrots, lettuce to BB and Fatty (the other guniea pig). Now I am not sure. Please let me have some advice on "safe" food.

pinta

Post   » Sun Feb 24, 2002 1:25 am


Check with your vet - he probably meant for you to not give ANY fresh foods for a couple of months.

You can supplement the C to make sure your pig gets an adequate amount.

If fruits are okay for him, cranberries, apples, oranges, grapes should be okay. According to one exotic vet, banana is too high in carbohydrates and too difficult to digest.

Do a search at this site. you´ll probably turn up some good URLS with lists of fruits.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Feb 24, 2002 8:04 am


I tend to agree that he means you should not give any fresh foods too. He might also be worried that fresh foods would be more likely to carry harmful bacteria that could throw things off if he is so sensitive.

I do tend to think it pretty drastic to cut out all fresh foods. Make sure you are feeding a top quality pellet and very good quality hay. Depending on how fresh your pellets are, you might have to suppliment with vitamin C.

I would have a real hard time cutting out all vegetables and would be tempted to at least provide fresh grass -- in your case, thoroughly rinsed off -- to my pig.

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Alison

Post   » Sun Feb 24, 2002 10:16 am


BB got 1 pallet of Oxbow Xtra C everyday - to supplement the Vitamin C.

After clearing the problem completely, I will bring BB to the exotic again and ask if supply of veggie is okay. Lettuce is okay, right?

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