What is a pallet of Oxbow Xtra C? Is it a pill?
You can find Xtra C in the website of Oxbow. According to the instruction, 1 pallet per day should give sufficient Vitamin C to the guinea pig. It is very convient. Besides my guinea pigs like the taste and request the pallet every night.
Thanks for your advice in veggie. I will give less amount of veggie (not more than 2) if BB recovers totally.
At the moment, BB shows some sign of soft stool when I further reduce Avipro. (medicine addictive ???) I will try a few more days with reduction of Avipro. Where necessary, I will bring her to the vet again.
p.s. i hope BB is feeling better!
- Almost Inbred
I assume you´ve extrapolated from this thread some of the things that can cause diarrhea and have ruled them out. Medications? Any new, fresh foods?
I´ve only had pigs for about 2 years and knock wood, I haven´t had very many problems with them, so I don´t really have a guess as to what could be going on. But I figure that the smarty-pants (that´s meant in a cheerful way) here will need a little bit more info from you to come up with a guess.
Is he on medication? Did you introduce the fresh food slowly? Where did you get him--pet store, breeder, rescue? Is he showing any other symptoms besides the diarrhea, as in weight loss, decreased appetite, lethargy, etc.?
From reading experiences of others, I´ve learned that a single symptom can be the result of several different causes, so more information--no matter how minute it may seem--is needed in order get a clearer picture of what might be going on.
Diarrhea can be extremely dehydrating and can be caused by parasites or bacteria or even stress. If he has a infection he will need an antibiotic. Your best bet is to see a vet before trying home remedies.
I think you are going to have to start looking for a new vet.
There were a couple threads at Cavies Galore on dry-tail:
http://www.caviesgalore.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ee90013c ... ght=dri-tail
http://www.caviesgalore.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ee90013c ... ght=dry+tail
http://www.caviesgalore.com/forums/showthread.php?s=ee90013c ... ght=dry+tail
Advising you to buy an over-the-counter remedy for a hamster ailment is inexcusable.
The following email from my files (Sat, 12 Feb 2000) is reprinted with permission from Tex Green, Guinea Pigs Online. People are free to contact him if they need clarification or have more questions Tex <Texg@cavyinfo.com>
The email was regarding a guinea pig with diarrhrea. The pet store advised giving the pig DriTail. Unfortunately the guinea pig died, most likely due to the delay is in getting competent veterinary care.
DriTail is a pretty much worthless "over the counter" product that is
usually sold for hamsters. By the time it takes a person to realize it is
not working, it is often too late to save the guinea pig´s life. Get your
piggie to an experienced exotics vet as soon as you can! Diarrhea can be
fatal if it is not diagnosed and treated properly.
What form is the diarrhea taking? Is it just soft droppings, a watery mess,
or a black, foul-smelling watery mess? If it is the last, you need to get
her to a vet *immediately*, as it indicates a very serious intestinal
problem (it can be caused by a number of things: antibiotics, eating
spoiled [moldy] hay or vegetables).
If it is a milder case of diarrhea, and you piggie is still eating,
withhold all greens, and give plenty of hay. In addition, an electrolyte
replacer such as Pedialyte given by dropper can help (Gatorade can be used
as well; the sugar is not good for her, but you need to get fluids into
her). There is some kind of imbalance in her intestinal system; the
beneficial bacteria have been disrupted. Acidophillus powder (found in
health food stores) or a cc of yogurt (with "live cultures") should be
given to help the digestive tract. There is also a product called
"Bene-bac" that I have used with some success (it´s available in larger pet
stores, at the vet and at some online pet supply vendors). The best thing
to use is a crushed-up dropping or two from a healthy piggie. Yes, it
sounds gross, but it is natural for guinea pigs. Guinea pigs re-ingest
certain droppings (called "coprophagy") to keep their digestive systems
healthy, as well as gain some nutrients that are produced in the cecum.
Although a "plain" dropping is not what a piggie would normally ingest, it
is certainly better than what the sick piggie has available.
What I normally do for a piggie with diarrhea is make a "mash mix", using a
dollop of yogurt, a crushed dropping, some powdered food pellets and enough
Pedilyte to make it into a mash that can be drawn into an oral syringe.
(The total amount should only be about 5cc or so, as they usually don´t
like the taste of it). If you can get your vet to approve the use of
Oxbow´s Critical Care formula (have him call 1-800-249-0366), mix the
powder with some Pedialyte and either crushed dropping or Acidophillus
powder, and administer by syringe. The Critical Care is quite tasty; every
piggie I´ve had to use it with loves it (a much better time is had by
all!). Do this at least three times a day (along with regular food and
water), and try and get water or Pedialyte into her as often as possible.
The suggestions I´ve made should only be undertaken after you´ve spoken
with a competent vet; they are not "in place of" a vet visit.
Please e-mail me any time if you have questions or concerns, and keep us
updated on your piggie´s progress.
Squeak Pig´s page has Neomycin & succinylsulfathiazole (it looks like this is a product that uses two drugs -- not just the neomycin sulfate in dri-tail) listed for Diarrhea & enteritis -- Oral -- 30 mg/kg QD
[UK: Neobiotic; US: Biosol-M; GE: Nebacetin]
Petco ( http://www.petco.com/product_info.asp?sku=8494209320 ) says this product can be administered:
Guinea pig, (animal weight 2 - 2 1/2 lbs.), administer 24 drops (3/4 ml) once daily or put some in the water (bad idea).
Unfortunately, the directions imply you have 7 days to see if this works and only then should you see a vet.
Regarding the second drug (not in dri-tail):
"The sulfa drug succinylsulfathiazole is itself inactive, but is converted by intestinal bacteria to sulfathiazole, which is an active antimicrobial agent. "
neomycin sulfate is sold "for the treatment and control of colibacillosis (bacterial enteritis) caused by Escherichia coli susceptible to neomycin sulfate in cattle (excluding veal calves), swine, sheep, and goats." I couldn´t find anything on its efficacy.
Apparently in humans there can be all kinds of drug reactions:
NEUROTOXICITY (INCLUDING OTOTOXICITY) AND NEPHROTOXICITY
nerve destruction and total or partial deafness
Neuromuscular blockage and respiratory paralysis
Other factors which increase the risk of toxicity are advanced age and dehydration (a guinea pig that had diarrhea would be deydrated).
but ill keep looking . thanks again all.
Herewith the latest info of BB. See if this can help piggymom.
A few weeks ago, I bought BB to the vet again (because the stool of BB again become soft if it is off Avipro). The vet examine again the stool. This time he found parasite inside the sample. He told me the parasite is a relative to Giadia but definitely not Giadia. He gave me a medine (name started with letter P...) for 5 days (0.12 mm dosage once per day).
After that, I bought BB to the vet again for re-examination of stool. The result is => no parasite found. Now BB is off all the medicine, though I still find her stool softer than the time she had no diarrhea.
I will bring her to the vet again the end of this week to double check if the parasite is really gone. Sometimes, parasites are just too small and may not be found easily.
Though I am an inexperienced owner, I believe ´great care´ is the best medicine to an ill piggie.
Lastly, I hope Neo will get through the problem very soon.
This site has info on Flagyl and Panacur. Panacur is a dewormer for one thing.
Has your vet tried Flagyl?
FLAGYL (Metronidazole): Note that it is effective against Flagellates, protozoans and anaerobes when given in the proper dosages.
PANACUR (Febendazole): Do note that it is mainly effective against Nematodes.
To further elaborate, the stool is in good shape but a bit soft. BB has very good appetite and drinks normally (she consumed a lot of water when she had the diarrhea / parasites). I can only comment that there is very slow improvement. However, BB is doing better and better. I can tell from the brightness of her hair and weight.
I will post the result of stool examination after seeing the vet. Where possible, I will ask the name of the parasite last found in the stool.
Lastly, piggymom, is Neo doing better now?