Seizures - With almost no scratching


Post   » Tue Oct 14, 2003 4:52 pm

There is a long thread on another pig with an eye problem that ended up in removal - probably 6 to 8 months ago. Try searching for it.

I think a tumour was involved.

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Post   » Tue Oct 14, 2003 5:33 pm

What a beautiful guy you have there. Good luck with him. Sorry I have nothing else to offer except good wishes.


Post   » Wed Oct 15, 2003 12:01 pm

Fred went to the vet again this morning. She says his eye is looking better. (Actually, it does look better this morning than it did yesterday.) Fred can partially close that eye and isn't as photosensitive as he was on Monday. I asked her about doing another x-ray and she said that she wants to try a few more days on the antibiotic. She is also going to discuss Fred with some of her colleagues. Fred has another vet appointment next Monday. Until then, I am to keep him in a padded cage, give him antibiotic eye drops every other hour, moistening eye drops on the hours in between with an antibiotic ointment, an oral antibiotic twice a day and an anti-inflammatory once a day.

Thanks for all the advice!


Post   » Tue Oct 21, 2003 5:47 pm

Yesterday morning was another vet visit for Fred. The vet stained his eye and says it is looking better. He doesn't need eye drops as often. The seizures, for the most part have stopped. He still lays his head down against his right side for about 20-30 seconds every so often or occasionally walks in really small circles (always walks in the clockwise direction).

The vet did notice some odd things about Fred. When he chews, he chews more to his right side and every time his jaw moves, his left eye pops in and out and the eye lid moves up and down. Has anyone ever had a pig whose eye balls moved when they ate?

She wants to do an x-ray and look at his ears, but is afraid to do them right now because the mask might injure his eye more. (He still can’t completely close his eye.) Fred is very sensitive about having his ears touched.

She gave me a different oral antibiotic to treat him with. I think it is called Baytril. (It smells like coconut and is white.) He doesn’t care much for it. I gave him a dose Monday morning and night and this morning. Over the past 24 hours, I have noticed that Fred’s eating has decreased. Fred, I think is the king of making poops! Since I have him on towels, I’ve taken to counting the poops before I throw them away. He usually averages between 180 and 200 poops a day! Well, since this morning, after 7 hours, I counted out 22 poops! I also noticed that he has been leaving veggies uneaten (very odd for him). He left some parsley and a slice of pear. I know that he loves pears. Last night, he didn’t finish all of his cilantro and left most of his orange wedge. I know that gps don’t need to be feed oranges, but he occasionally gets a piece as a treat. He usually eats it down really quick.

I called the vet and she said to not give him the antibiotic tonight and see if his appetite picks up. I am to call in the morning and we will either change his antibiotic or lower the dose. I am to call her at home or on her cell phone immediately if Fred stops eating. So far, its just slowed down. I hope when I get home from work, he will have eaten the romaine lettuce and piece of red pepper I left him. Anyone have any other suggestions for things I can do to encourage Freddie to eat more? I am already trying to offer him quite a bit of his favorite veggies and fruits.

Fred has taken to spending most of his time sitting in the corner under a towel tent. The towels are rolled up there, so they make a nice place for him to rest his head.

Hope you and all of your piggies are well! Sorry this post was so long!


Post   » Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:09 pm

Sounds like you have a great vet.

Dex can boost the appetite but it's a steroid and can compromise the immune system. B vitamins can boost the appetite.

The med sounded like Chloramphenicol to me. It's important that you know the meds he is on.

Ask your vet to feel his jaw and check that it is moving properly.

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Post   » Tue Oct 21, 2003 9:06 pm

If you aren't currently weighing him, start doing so now. I encourage you to hand feed him if he is slowing down. Glad to see you looked into changing medications.


Post   » Wed Oct 22, 2003 11:45 am

Fred has a vet appointment this afternoon. It was the earliest that I could get.

I knew that the medicine started with a B, and knew it wasn't Bactrim because that was what he was on last week. When I got home from work, I doubled checked the bottle, it does say Baytril.

I have been weighing him. His weight ranges from 1,000 - 1,020 grams normally. Today it was 998 g. Yesterday morning it was 1,014 grams. So he is down some.

I did start hand feeding him. I gave him some pellet mush and a little bit of mashed up carrots. I also gave him some water. He wasn't really happy with the feeding, the only thing I think he actually liked was the carrots.

I will feed him again in another hour or two. I left hay, a piece of yellow peper, romain lettuce, and cucumber in his cage along with a little bit of pellet mash and some regular pellets. I am hoping that he will eat some of the mash...he seemed to like it better when I put some on my finger instead of forcing it into his mouth with a syringe. What ever is left of the mash I will toss and make fresh mash to feed him.



Post   » Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:01 pm

I am concerned about Fred. Wednesday, Fred went to the vet. She checked him over and then feed him some critical care. She sent me home with some CC and bactrim. I started to feed Fred the CC between 10 and 20 ml 4 times a day for the past 2 days. He seems to do okay with the CC and the last few times he has been reaching for the syringe. He is also eating some pellets (not many), small amounts of hay, a bit of parsley, parts of baby carrots, bites of cucumber and some red pepper.

Well, I keep weighing him, and he keeps going up, this afternoon he weighed in at 1050 g. What does concern me is that all this food is going into him and none to very little is coming out. He’s had one some what mushy poop since yesterday. He has urinated quite a bit, but no jelly beans. He still has a pretty good interest in food (not like he used to before he got sick, but ihis interest is slowly starting to return). I called the vet today, concerned that there has been no output, and she said to set an appointment for tomorrow morning, and to cancel it if Fred starts producing some output between now and the appointment. Though, I am to let her know if loses all interest in food and starts behaving oddly. Is there anything I can do to help him to poop? He is starting to feel quite round in the area in front of his back legs.

My other concern is Fred’s urine looks reddish-orange on the white towels. He isn’t crying when he pees. He is drinking less water than normal, but that could be due to the fact that I am syringe feeding him water along with the CC. Could the funny colored urine be from the red peppers and carrots that he is eating? Has anyone else every experienced changed urine color due to different foods?


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Post   » Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:32 pm

Have you checked for impaction?


Post   » Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:47 pm

I can't feel anything hard...then again, I am not completely sure what I am looking for...there doesn't seem to be anything but soft mushy poop in the pouch.

This is the first male guinea pig I've ever had. I used to have two females when I was in middle school/high school/undergrad in college.

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Post   » Fri Oct 24, 2003 7:54 pm

You might check over this page:
The urine color may be normal. If you are concerned, the vet can spin a sample down to see if there is any blood in it.

Reglan will help get things moving.

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Post   » Fri Oct 24, 2003 8:01 pm

Sick pigs often eat a lot of their poops. After Clarence had his bladder stone surgery I was freaked out because he was eating really well but only a few poops in his cage. Then I saw him chowing down! Fred might just be eating them.

Reglan is good stuff.

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Post   » Fri Oct 24, 2003 8:01 pm

I can't say that I've noticed funny colored urine from red peppers or carrots. I have, however, from beets and red chard.


Post   » Fri Oct 24, 2003 9:36 pm

I've noticed carrots make the urine oxidize to a blood colour.

Impaction doesn't prevent pooping unless the anal sac is crammed and nothing can get out.

Fast and steady weight gain can be as worrisome as weight loss. You need to confirm that he isn't pooping and get Reglan into him if he isn't.

From your description I would be inclined to go for the Reglan now rather than later.


Post   » Sat Oct 25, 2003 9:23 pm

Good news! Fred did make some poops for me overnight, but I thought that I would take him to the vet anyway. The vet checked him out and said that he looks good, and it is normally to not see so many poops. She told me to stop giving him the anti-inflammatory. She said that he isn’t bloated and nor does he have impaction. Also, I am to keep feeding him critical care, but to not feed it as often (feed him 3-4 times day instead of 4-5 times a day). Then slowly reducing the number of feedings until he is completely back on his regular diet. Fred does eat some veggies, hay and a small amount of pellet food.

She checked his eye and said that it is looking better and probably another week of medicating it. (There is an end in sight!!)

When she looked inside of his mouth, she noticed that his back teeth on one side were quite a bit longer than the ones of the other side. She said that they looked smooth (nothing sticking out and poking Fred in the check or tongue) and all the teeth in each set were at the same height. This is probably the reason why he chews funny (Fred moves his mouth more to the right). His right teeth were longer than the left ones. She thinks that she will probably have to go in and trim the one side down. She couldn’t find any issues with the jaw, but we will probably have to do a skull x-ray sometime after the eye is healed to make sure there isn’t something behind the eye or in the ear area that is causing some of these problems. I have read some of the discussions about teeth trimming, is it okay to trim the longer side of the teeth so that they are the same height as the short side?

Oh, one last thing, Cara, I started spending a lot more time just observing Fred. You were right; I noticed Fred spends quite a bit of time reaching back to eat a poop. He sure is eating quite a few of them. Thank you and everyone else for your help. I didn’t give Fred another piece of red pepper and some carrots, last night and in the morning the urine spots were the normal color.

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Post   » Sat Oct 25, 2003 9:48 pm

Sounds like things are looking up! I hope Fred continues to improve. Hang in there!

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Post   » Sat Oct 25, 2003 10:45 pm

Make sure you continue to weigh him so you know that cutting back on the critical care will not mean he isn't getting enough food.

One important note: (if I have this right) Pinta says her vet claims that the gums will often grow along with the teeth so a cursory exam may seem like they are okay. It is possible the teeth are even more out of wack if things are crooked. You may want to read the information on the chinsling on this page: An xray helps greatly to diagnose exactly what is going on with the teeth. It can be sent to a specialist if your vet does not know how things should look.

Read over the teeth/malocclusion information too.


Post   » Sun Oct 26, 2003 1:59 am

If you're asking if the molars on one side should be trimmed so both sides are equal - yes. Pigs can have TMJ on one side resulting in uneven wear or the jaw could be out of alignment requiring gentle repositioning. Animal physical therapists can do this. The one I use had never worked on pigs before but she was able to tell right away that the jaws were out of alignment and maneuver them back into position.

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Post   » Thu Nov 06, 2003 1:04 pm

Rach, I had a pig here with a severe ear infection. See the thread in Emergency "Tigger's got some pus coming out of his ear". The ear infection did not respond to either Bactrim or Baytril and we needed to switch antibiotics to Chloramphenicol - Which penetrates pus. You might want to ask your vet about that.

The side effect of some AB's like Baytril and Chloramphenicol is that they make the pig lose his appetite. You have to handfeed and provide a probiotic (like Bene-Bac) so that the pig's gut flora remains intact.

Good luck with your Fred. I hope he's doing better.

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