I'm worried about Rosie.

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Post   » Fri Nov 28, 2003 3:50 pm


I am having a problem with the scanner and the Xrays. After I scanned them I realized that they aren't scanning right. I can clearly see thing on the xRay with my eyes (like Rosie's incisors) that are not showing up on the scan. I'm trying to work this out, it might take a little while longer.

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Post   » Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:09 pm


http://photos.imageevent.com/paravati/rosie/large/Rosie_Xray_chin_w.jpg

This is the view from the chin upwards. The vet pointed out some areas that are supposed to be more black that aren't - part of his sinuses and inner ears.

http://photos.imageevent.com/paravati/rosie/large/Rosie_XRay_side_w.jpg

This is the best I could do with my scanner. On the actual X-Ray you can see his incisors and you can also see a darker 'lumpy' area under the chin where the abcess is. It is clearly not near his jaw bones.

pinta

Post   » Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:46 pm


Check to make sure they are emulsion side down on the scanner. You can also try lightening them. As long as the whole image is lightened and you don't try to highlight just one area, the xray will "make sense".

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Post   » Fri Nov 28, 2003 6:58 pm


With transparent things like x-rays and ultrasound films, I've had far better luck taping them up to a sunny window (or other even light source) and taking a picture with the digital camera.

You might want to try that, I got much better contrast and detail when I did that.

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Post   » Fri Nov 28, 2003 7:27 pm


If it is any consolation, acetaminaphen is listed as an analgesic in at least one med book. But adding any drug to the water is nuts, as we all think.

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Post   » Fri Nov 28, 2003 8:26 pm


Ok, we are going to try the liquid acetaminophen by mouth twice a day (half the 1mg dose at a time). I am trying to tape the XRays to a monitor to see if I can take a picture of them, and have that work out any better.

Lynx, can you please edit my previous post and make those two X-Rays links? I don't want to cram this page with terrible pics that have to upload each time. The new Xrays I will just load the links for. Thanks.

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Post   » Fri Nov 28, 2003 8:30 pm


For what it's worth, one of ours has received 1 mg of Tylenol a day for over a year and a half, with no ill effect (that I can tell -- liver problems don't manifest clearly as I understand it). It has helped him tremendously.

If your liquid acetominaphen is 1 mg/ml, one ml = one cc and 0.5 cc twice a day would equate to what we were prescribed.

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Post   » Fri Nov 28, 2003 8:32 pm


Thanks, Talishan. It was actually your post over in the acetaminophen thread that convinced me to give it a try. I appreciate your input.

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Post   » Fri Nov 28, 2003 8:36 pm


Good luck, Para. Our best wishes and warm thoughts are with Rosie.

We mixed it with baby pear juice, being very careful with the calculations. He loves it and takes it readily.

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Post   » Fri Nov 28, 2003 8:41 pm


Okay, turned them into links.

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Post   » Fri Nov 28, 2003 9:00 pm


Okay. I taped the X-Rays to my monitor and used a digital camera (thanks for the suggestion!!). These are definitely NOT perfect but I think they are better than the previous links. I played around with my monitor brightness and the whitepoint and light settings on the camera to get what I felt to be better overall looks at these Xrays.


This link is blown out but it shows the "soft tissue" area below his chin. There is a dirt speck on the Xray just to the right of it. This area is where the mass is, below the jaw. The vet feels that it's not involving any of the teeth, or the jawbone itself. That it's located directly in the center between the angular jaw bones, in the soft tissue.

http://photos.imageevent.com/paravati/rosie/large/XRay_Side2aw.jpg


This one is a better overall shot, but you can't see the soft tissue mass as well. Do Rosie's Roots look elongated, or normal?

http://photos.imageevent.com/paravati/rosie/large/XRay_Side3w.jpg

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Post   » Fri Nov 28, 2003 9:05 pm


I don't know much but don't think the teeth look elongated.

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Post   » Fri Nov 28, 2003 9:18 pm


Here is Rosie's head, from the chin up (laying flat on his back). You can see the eye socket that's collapsing. The vet gave me a name for this but I can't remember it now.. It was something like plythyb itis or some weird word with p's and b's in it. They said the eye was dying and would sink into his skull, and might need lubricant cream. It won't need extraction or surgery or anything.

http://photos.imageevent.com/paravati/rosie/large/XRay_Head1.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/paravati/rosie/large/XRay_Head3.jpg

The vet pointed out areas in his sinus cavities that are supposed to be more dark, but are filled up now with infection and are showing up white. She said it looks like his inner ears and some areas in his throat are beginning to be involved.

I hope these X-Rays help you guys. I am still wrestling with the idea that he might not even wake up from this surgery to have his lump removed.

If this were your pig, would you go ahead and have the vet remove this lump? Even though they told me to put Acetaminophen in his water? Or would you go back to your regular vet who at least knows not to put drugs in the drinking water, but who might not have as much experience excising growths in this area?

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Post   » Fri Nov 28, 2003 9:27 pm


I think the circumstances call for a second opinion. I don't think I would be comfortable making a decision without one.

Of course if you wait too long then perhaps surgery won't be an option if Rosie's condition deterioriates to a point where it wouldn't be a 50/50 chance of surviving. So, I would make a decision soon.

I hope things go in Rosie's favor.

pinta

Post   » Fri Nov 28, 2003 10:02 pm


Check with your regular vet and ask about switching ABs. Surely she'll be available tomorrow. Surely she could answer the AB and painkiller questions over the phone. It just seems wrong to switch to another vet who has questionable advice.

I would think she'd want to be involved at this point.

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Post   » Fri Nov 28, 2003 10:21 pm


Poor Para and Rosie. He has been sick for so long. I hope things work out for the best, Para. From these x-rays, I can't see roots well enough to tell elongation. On Angel's, you could see the bulb into her eye socket and down through her jaw bone very clearly, but these were high quality dental x-rays, under anesthesia.

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Post   » Fri Nov 28, 2003 11:19 pm


Thanks guys. It even helps just to know you're out there, listening.

I did call my regular vet today and told her that the abcess didn't seem to be an incisor root issue. That the new vet wanted to remove the lump. They advised me to do whatever I thought was in the best interest of my animal. I am going to cancel the appointment for the surgery tomorrow and instead bring Rosie and his X-Rays over to my vet for her to look at him. If she thinks she can do it, I'd rather have her do the surgery. We can have the bloodwork faxed over there.

It's not really a money issue for me, but I'd rather that if Rosie dies, he dies under my vet's hands instead of a group of people who sneer at me and charge me $385 for some bloodwork and two X-Rays.

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He seems to be responding a bit to the Acetaminophen. We gave him his nightly meds (Simethicone, Reglan, Acet., and Baytril) and he grunted and moaned like he always does.. But then about 10 minutes later he was chowing down on some hay. I haven't seen him eat hay in three or four days the way he ate it tonight. I think it's making him feel better.

Charybdis

Post   » Sat Nov 29, 2003 3:15 am


Chowing on hay is great news.

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Post   » Mon Dec 01, 2003 1:06 pm


Rosie is in surgery right now to remove the mass under his chin. Everybody please keep your fingers crossed - I am a nervous wreck.

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Post   » Mon Dec 01, 2003 1:09 pm


Good luck. I hope he pulls through.

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