Bladder Stone study

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Becky

Post   » Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:48 pm


Way too many of us are familiar with bladder stones. We have an opportunity now to participate in a study to finally begin figuring out the causes and prevention of, and treatment for stones.

Oxbow is sponsoring a multi-institutional case-control study. In order to do the study, however, they need stones. My vet said they need a minimum of 100 stones submitted.

If you have a stone removed from your guinea pig, I strongly urge you and your vet to send it to UC Davis for this study. There was no cost involved for me. I merely filled out a detailed questionnaire about diet, health issues and other stone/sludge guinea pigs in my care.

I also strongly urge you to pass this information along to your vet, whether you have a pig with stones or not. The more samples sent in, the more all vets will learn.

Here is the contact information:

For further information on how to participate, please contact
Michelle Hawkins, VMD Dipl. ABVP (Avian Practice)
Assistant Professor
Companion Avian and Exotic Pet Service
VM: Medicine and Epidemiology
2108 Tupper Hall
University of CA, Davis
Davis, CA 95616
(530) 752-1363
mghawkins@ucdavis.edu

Here is the link to Oxbow with a description of the study.

http://www.oxbowhay.com/link.sp?page=article&id=40649

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salana
GL is Just Peachy

Post   » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:48 pm


Are passed stones okay, too? Do they have to be sent in right after they're removed/passed?

GP Lover
My home, ruled by pigs!

Post   » Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:02 pm


Becky, any idea what has come of the study at the University of Minnesota? I sent them a stone a few years ago for their study and I think Swannie has too.

TwoWhitePiggies

Post   » Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:53 am


I'm pretty sure Minnesota is where Sully and Gilbert's stones were sent off to, as well.

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TWP_2

Post   » Wed Jul 05, 2006 1:53 am


I wonder if UC Davis and Minnesota are sharing data. It would be nice.

Unless our vet filled out information for us, we didn't provide much info to the Minnesota study. I know she had some sort of form, but I have no idea what was on it, and she didn't ask for detailed diet information.

Jim

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Becky

Post   » Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:16 pm


Salana, yes, passed stones are fine. Considering their composition, I doubt that they have to be "fresh" or recent.

I forgot to ask my vet about the Minnesota study. I have no idea what has happened with that. This study is being overseen by two vets at UC Davis and Connie Orcutt of Boston’s Angell Memorial Hospital.

There is no way my vet or the vet tech could have filled out this form. It was way too detailed.

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mmeadow
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Post   » Wed Jul 05, 2006 4:21 pm


Please send in your stones! I have heard that the funding for the study is running out soon and that they have not received as many samples as they would like.

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cavyhaven13

Post   » Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:16 am


I've had two sent in for this study already. Different pigs, and from different families. Both came back as calcium oxylate. But my most recent one with Louise came back saying they were able to grow bacteria from it. I think it was strep.

Definitely send them in. At least the analysis is free because of the study and it will help their research.

TwoWhitePiggies

Post   » Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:06 am


I just wanted to post that we did have K-State send Gilbert's stone to the UC Davis study, along with a survey they had us fill out. Jim has been in touch with the UC Davis people, as well.

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Mum
I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Fri Aug 11, 2006 11:51 am


Ah, we just had an enormous stone removed from Muffin last week. I'll send it in when I get it from LAWomans.

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TWP_2

Post   » Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:32 pm


Perhaps we should all buy a lottery ticket once a month, and donate 90% of any winnings to the study.

Someone might hit the 20 million dollar jackpot and endow a Chair of Guinea Pig Bladder Stone Prevention Studies.

Jim

capybara
Supporter in '13

Post   » Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:03 pm


About a week ago, at Peppi's follow up appointment, we gave the vet the contact information for the stone study. A couple days ago, he called my husband and said that he was told they also wanted a sample of bladder tissue in addition to the stone, and the stone alone wasn't enough for the study. Obviously we can't get that now. So now our vet is going to analyze the stone for us to see its composition so we can take preventative measures against more stones.

Anyway, I was surprised and confused to hear that info on the bladder tissue sample, since it wasn't mentioned here. Did anyone else get that response?

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Mum
I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:56 pm


I sent mine off a week or so ago and haven't heard a thing (or was it two weeks).

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Lynx
RESIST

Post   » Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:53 pm


That seems pretty strange. One would imagine there would be a clear mention of it if it were needed.

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Mum
I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:08 pm


I forgot to update this thread: they called to tell me that they couldn't use the stone, because it had to be accompanied by a sterile urine sample.

So, really what they want is to be contacted by the vet before the stone is removed so they can be sure the vet sends all the appropriate information.

capybara
Supporter in '13

Post   » Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:50 pm


I wish they were more organized with their information. I had contacted the vet running the study before Peppi's first surgery, and she didn't say much other than to have our vet contact her, and somehow it wasn't communicated they needed more than the stone to proceed.

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TWP_2

Post   » Wed Dec 06, 2006 10:16 pm


I want to point out that I have kept in periodic contact with Dr. Hawkins during our efforts on Gilbert's behalf. When Gilbert died (Dec 5 06) following a fourth stone surgery, we made sure Dr. Hawkins was in touch with our vet at Kansas State University Veterinary Hospital. This way during the necropsy they could take any samples, measurements, or x-rays that UC Davis might want.

Dr. Hawkins has also, through her emails, proven to be another vet who truly cares.

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Snowbie

Post   » Sat May 03, 2008 4:04 pm


Does anyone know if if this study is still going on? I would like to send in my piggy's stone.

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Lynx
RESIST

Post   » Sat May 03, 2008 11:03 pm


Have your vet find out. I think it's possible it is still going on.

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Mum
I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Sat May 03, 2008 11:28 pm


I tried to send a stone in. Unfortunately they need a lot more information to accompany the stone (urine ph etc), so it may be that they can't take it.

Email them anyway, but I think you may find they can't use it. Usually, I was told, this needs to be arranged before the stone is retrieved, along with a bunch of different tests.

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