Bladder Stone study

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rshevin

Post   » Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:42 pm


Sorry Sef, I didn't mean to imply anything. I was just trying to remind people what they ::coughcough SHOULDn't coughcough:: do, you know, technically in the public if you get my drift here?

And yes TWP, I find that highly ironic as well.

gizzy

Post   » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:53 am


Anyone know if research still active , I still have a large stone that was removed from my old arthritic Furby , I mention his arthritis as I have heard that can be a contributory factor in stones , though I’m not certain

frankiben123

Post   » Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:10 am


wow....nice post.....

3piggles

Post   » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:29 pm


A few months ago, one of my sows passed a stone that would have crippled a human, and I've been looking for something to prevent her from getting another one. A cavy vet in California suggested cranberry juice might have the same effect on guinea pigs as it has on people.

Has anyone seen any studies on the effects of cranberry juice on guinea pigs, or on preventing stones in guinea pigs?

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:58 pm


Cranberry juice is supposed to cut the incidence of urinary tract infections (which are implicated in stones) by half in humans. I don't know that it would help prevent stones but might limit UTIs. Some people here give their guinea pigs cranberry juice.

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sus4rabbitsnpigs

Post   » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:49 pm


Ditto Lynx. It may help UTIs but not stones.

Unless your guinea pig is getting calcium supplements for arthritis, I don't see a correlation between that and stones.

ToupeeOnWheels
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Post   » Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:52 pm


After reading a thread here (which I can't find now), I was giving my girl Oxbow Critterberries, which are no longer manufactured. She had bladderstone surgery over a year ago in March 2008, and shortly afterward x-rayed with a possible new stone about June 2008. That's when I kept an eye on her and began the Critterberries, and so far, so good-- no signs of bladderstones or UTIs. (she's 7 and I don't know how she'd hold up for another surgery).

I read the ingredients and one of them is Uva Ursi, which is used to treat cystitis/UTI issues in humans (and which I have used myself; it's quite effective). I've finally run out of Critterberries and tried to stretch them out, but since decreasing the frequency of feeding them, she's started to show stray signs of mild discomfort. I was thinking about combining uva ursi with pure cranberry juice (cut with water and perhaps some fruit juice) and seeing if it helped her at all; of course it could all be a coincidence, but I'm not taking chances.

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:26 pm


I have never heard of Critterberries preventing stones. Sounds more like you were lucky.

I hope your pig continues to do okay.

ToupeeOnWheels
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Post   » Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:36 pm


Yeah, I can't remember exactly what I read; I think I was following something about polycrita and other possible aids for bladder health, and someone said that maybe, possibly, Critterberries may contain something that acts similarly to polycrita? It wasn't a sure thing, but that poor piggie went through about 3 rounds of antibiotics with recurring pink urine/pain, so I figured I had nothing to lose, and once I started her on the Critterberries, everything cleared up. I realize it could be a coincidence too.

If I'm wrong and this information isn't relevant, I apologize!

Tracis
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Post   » Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:30 am


Stones are so heartbreaking.

Not sure if this helps, ToupeeOnWheels, but were you thinking of one of these threads?

TWP_2 wrote about the Chanca Piedra in Critterberries
Critterberry discussion on somechick's Henry's thread

ToupeeOnWheels
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Post   » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:38 pm


Yes, thank you Tracis, that was it! It was hard to read the ingredients on the CritterBerry bag, but I don't remember seeing the chanca piedra on there. I'll start researching the shillintong and the chanca piedra-- at this point, I have nothing to lose and am out of CBs!

Wow, I can relate to the frustration in Henry's thread, too.

mmasters

Post   » Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:36 pm


It would be useful to have someone read up on bladder stones in pygmy goats and see if there is any similarity in guinea pigs. Blockage in pygmies happens quite often and there are additives some people put in the water which scientific studies have shown may reduce the formation of stones. Like guinea pigs, if pygmy goats eat too much alfalfa, it is believed that the calcium can be a problem. The calcium-phosphorous ratio is very important and it would be possible to determine this ratio if you write down the daily amount of each food item you feed your guinea pigs. Any government agricultural lab can run a feed analysis for a nominal fee. The lab will require food samples, such as pellets, hay, etc. I strongly believe that my first guinea pigs got bladder stones because I fed them pellets which were not Oxbow and I didn't filter their water. Nowadays, I feed more fresh vegetables (lots and lots), grass hay, Oxbow pellets, blueberries or other berries for vitamin C, and I supplement with vitamin C. Some guinea pig owners give cucumbers for treats, but I serve cucumbers twice a day because they have so much water in them. Since doing all these things, I haven't seen any bladder stones so far (knock on wood!)

mmasters

Post   » Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:39 pm


Apricot juice is useful for urinary tract/bladder infections just like cranberry juice. So, if your guinea pig hates the taste of cranberry juice, try apricot nectar.

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Aug 07, 2009 9:55 pm


You might want to read the stones page, Mmasters:

gl/stones.html

We also have a calcium phosphorous calculator.

TX Rustlers

Post   » Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:43 pm


I posted about Rolo on the Milkyway thread - he has just had 2 more really big stones removed and this is his 3rd cystotomy in 6 months.

He has the same diet as everyone else at the rescue, and I believe one other of his family members had a stone, Nestle. So I think some of his propensity to get stones is hereditory.

I do notice that he eats loads of pellets (Oxbow Cavy Cuisine) so I have removed them from his diet for now.

I did also have a sludge pig that did really well on the urocit as long as no dose was missed.

I read an article a while back that linked vitamin c to the formation of stones

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:11 pm


Vitamin C is supposedly linked to stones in rabbits. In this volume or the first edition:

Ferrets, Rabbits and Rodents - Clinical Medicine and Surgery by Katherine E.Quesenberry DVM and James W. Carpenter (publisher Elsevier -- 2nd edition 2004)

TX Rustlers

Post   » Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:57 pm


In people and dogs also

gizzy

Post   » Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:25 am


just came across this re
C is supposedly linked to stones in rabbits.

i suppose it's is one of those things we may never get to the bottiom off ,

though the testing on humans could could indecate a better picture ???

VITAMIN C DOES NOT CAUSE KIDNEY STONES

http://www.orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v01n07.shtml

roguebantha

Post   » Fri Nov 19, 2010 8:29 am


I am struggling to make sense of the recommended Ca:P ratio.

It says on the Stones page that the vast majority of stones are Calcium carbonate.

However the recommended Ca:P ratio is 1.5-2 to 1.

Is this recommendation purely to reduce the risk of Phosphate stones, which apparently are not the main risk?

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:32 pm


The ratio is the ideal ratio for calcium and phosphorus in the body. You might want to read here about minerals in the body (the bottom of the page explains about calcium in humans):

http://www.guinealynx.info/stones_questions.html

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