Cavy Pellet Analysis

kleenmama
I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Wed Feb 19, 2003 6:41 pm


One thing he did tell me was that the pellets were 85-90% alfalfa. Everything after that were very small amounts.

I am nearly certain they are not going to change their labelling laws for moi, much as I tried to persuade them.

When they used to ship to the US, they had a different label for US than CAnada because of the laws. Once they stopped shipping here, they bailed on the "specific" labels.

ChunkyPiggies

Post   » Wed Feb 19, 2003 6:55 pm


So which one is least crappy for guinea pigs? I dont want them to be unhealthy when it comes to something I can help.

HollyT
Get on your bike.

Post   » Wed Feb 19, 2003 7:04 pm


It was stated that Oxbow carried the best pellets.

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Lynx
RESIST

Post   » Wed Feb 19, 2003 7:47 pm


Okay, corrected the typo. I'll be home tomorrow and will add something on the nutrition page and a link back to this thread.

Peter

Post   » Wed Feb 19, 2003 9:25 pm


Does anyone know anything about Cavylets made by Nutritional Research? As far as I know there is no corn, but it is an alfalfa based pellet. I'm pretty sure I have the information about it saved on my computer somewhere, but it's all in a different language to me. I was thinking of switching over but didn't know much about it. What I've heard has been good things, though.

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Wed Feb 19, 2003 9:43 pm


Print the ingredients and we'll see...

I couldn't find a web site.

Peter

Post   » Wed Feb 19, 2003 10:30 pm


I actually don't think they have a website. Someone online took a picture of the label for me, and I'm just typing up the lable. I zoomed in to better read it, it got a little blurry so I might make a typo or two but I'll do my best not to make any.

Ingredients:
alfalfa meal, wheat middlings, wheat bran, soybean oil meal, dried molasses supplement, oats, spray dried lignin sulfonate, corn distillers dried grains with solubles, linseed meal, wheat germ meal, brewers dried yeast, saccharomyces cerevisiae yeast, whole dried whey, DL-methinonine, soybean oil, carotene from carrot oil, monocalcium phosphate, dicalcium phosphate, salt, magnesium oxide, manganese sulfate, iron sulfate, iron oxide, copper sulfate, zinc oxide, calcium iodate, cobalt carbonate, sodium selenite, choline chloride, ascorbic acid, vitamin A acetate, D-activated animal sterol, DL-alpha tocopheryl acetate, menadione sodium bisulfate complex, thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin supplement, niacin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, calcium pantothenate, vitamin B-12 supplement, inositol, folic acid, biotin supplement, yucca schidigera extract, bacillus subtilis fermentation product, bacillus licheniformis fermentation product, silicon dioxide, sodium sulfate, verxite, calcium propionate, and flavor.

Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude protein: not less than 20%
Crude fat: not less than 4%
Crude fiber: not more than 15%

This is the first time I really took the time to read the ingredients. It seems like there's more in it than Oxbow or Mazuri, which makes me wonder. I don't know if all that "extra" stuff is good or crap. I've talked to some breeders who use it and they say their animals looked nice on it, and I want a feed that makes them look nice but I don't want one that will compromise their health for it.

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Thu Feb 20, 2003 6:25 pm


Here are what worries me:

spray dried lignin sulfonate, corn distillers dried grains with solubles, D-activated animal sterol (ANIMAL PRODUCT), wheat bran (pretty sure is a filler left over from human products--not nutrient value), soybean oil meal, soybean oil, flavor, bacillus subtilis fermentation product, bacillus licheniformis fermentation product

Too much filler and low-quality products. What exactly is flavor? Couldn't find an AAFCO definition. Too many oils and animal product. Seems like a traditional animal food (filled with the stuff no one could use in human products). Too high in protein and fat (IMO). Definitely not for maintenance in older pigs. About as good (or worse) than Kaytee. The fiber is high due to the amount of fillers (good or bad), but is still not high enough to be desirable. Over 20% fiber is much better. Sawdust is considered high fiber, too.

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aj_trouble
Gave a Guinea!!

Post   » Thu Feb 20, 2003 6:40 pm


I've not come across any of those GP food's in the UK.

The best you can get here is Burgess Supa Guinea Excel.

However it does contain unmolassed Beet pulp, which I note is not recommended.

Ingredients:
Wheat, Lucerne meal, Cokked Non GMO Soya Beans, Peas, Oat Hulls, Unmolassed Beet Pulp, Brewers Yeast, Soya Oil, Dicalcium Sulphate, Calcium Carbonate, Fructo-oligosaccharides.

Contains no added colours or preservatives - vitamins guaranteed until best before date.

Contains no coccidiostat.

Nutritional Analysis

Protein 17%
Fibre 15%
Oil 4%
Ash 6.5%
Calcium 0.8%
Phosphorous 0.5%
Vitamin A 22,000 iu/kg
Vitamin D3 1,250 iu/kg
Vitamin E 100 iu/kg
Vitamin C 800 mg/kg
Copper as cupric sulphate 15 mg/kg

It also states on the bag that this food should fed along side a good quality long fibre such as Supa Forage Excel and succulent vegetables such as beetroot and broccoli.

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aj_trouble
Gave a Guinea!!

Post   » Thu Feb 20, 2003 6:52 pm


The Animal Welfare Foundation states that some rabbit foods, contain an anti-coccidiostat (a form of medication) which is toxic to guinea pigs. Which is why the above food does not contain any!

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Thu Feb 20, 2003 8:57 pm


I'm not so sure the wheat basis is great, either. It is not very high in fiber, high in oil, nutrient devoid byproducts (the oat hulls), and of course the beet pulp. Certainly there are better choices, even in the UK?

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aj_trouble
Gave a Guinea!!

Post   » Thu Feb 20, 2003 9:02 pm


We really are the poor relations when it comes to GP products.

I'll look around and let you know though, Gerty Guinea Pig food is the one I see the most in Pet Stores.

Supa Guinea is recommended by my Vet (where I buy it from).

Peter

Post   » Thu Feb 20, 2003 9:33 pm


Thanks, Josephine. I think I'll just stick with the Mazuri for now. I wish Proform or Oxbow was sold here cheap...

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cindy29

Post   » Thu Feb 20, 2003 10:37 pm


two pet stores in my town are carrying Oxbow now!
Yeah!!

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sylvieL

Post   » Fri Feb 21, 2003 6:39 am


I have found in my local feed store a pellet that's 100% alfafa. Period. Thoughts ?
I'd think all the added vitamins would not be needed if I give veggies and vit C daily, and at least there isn't all the by product crap ... so I'd tend to think it's OK ... but then what do I know ?!

Evangeline

Post   » Fri Feb 21, 2003 7:22 pm


Impossible. Just alfalfa wouldn't stick together. They have to use a binder. Have you called the cpmpany and requested a complete ingredient list?

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piggielover

Post   » Fri Feb 21, 2003 7:35 pm


Okay, since you are talking pellets here, I have a question.
I went to Walmart to buy pellets. I buy KayTee pellets. Well, they were out of KayTee pellets and I did not have time to drive all the way across town to K-mart to get them so I bought the Hartz brand. I know they are bad, but I was desperate. My youngest son is very sick and I can't get to the store now till tomorrow or Sunday and I bought the pellets on Thursday. Will they get sick if I wait till Sunday? I am scared. They all have been SO healthy on KayTee and I probably messed up now bigtime. I feel very bad. Please let me know if it will be okay. Thanks so much.

kleenmama
I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:01 pm


E, I thought the same thing, but I have just purchased some orchard grass pellets, and yes I called the manufacturer. They are merely orchard grass pellets. Nothing added. Nothing else. They grind them down in about the same way the alfalfa cubes are made, but into pellets.

My pigs love them, but I just give them as a treat.

Evangeline

Post   » Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:15 pm


Piggielover-
From what I remember, Hartz is loaded with animal by-products. That's cow and pork fat. They are ebetter off without pellets for a few days than with that crap. If they have lots of hay and veggies, they'll be ok. I'd dump it.

KM-
Ah, ok. I still don't see how it sticks together, though.

kleenmama
I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:47 pm


Me either! In fact, I called and talked to the person and kept asking her for the list of ingredients. She said "Ah, it's on the label". I said "well, the label just says Orchard grass pellets, nothing else". She said "right". Ok then.

It was a very humbling experience.

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