Orange peppers...

chyna_mn

Post   » Thu Feb 14, 2002 8:48 pm


Anyone had luck with these? I know people say red and green ones are ok but what about orange? Also does anyone know of a "good food" list other than the one on CG? After reading cabbage was good on there I don´t know what to believe anymore... maybe we could start a list on here? Thanks guys

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Feb 14, 2002 8:58 pm


I personally think grass is the best. Trying to figure out what vegetables are best is a subjective thing. And some of the items the pigs go for, may not be as good for them as other things.

My subjective personal list would be topped by:
Grass

Then:
romaine
tomato
green pepper
carrot (a small one)
bok choy
parsley

I sometimes give fruit, but I don´t think it is as healthful.
A grape
A couple raisins
cantalope
strawberries
apples
bit of banana (very little)

I feed timothy pellets which I think make up for things like the bok choy which may be higher in calcium.

I think the key is to mainly feed lots of hay, good quality pellets and grass. Moderate amounts of the other things (the immoderate amounts might be as many as three or four leaves per pig of romaine when I get lots).

I can´t say scientifically if this is the best diet they could have. I think we carry our own beliefs and prejudices about food. Mine won´t touch cabbage leaves.

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Oh, I forgot about weeds (it´s winter). Chickweed and dandelions are appreciated. They ate some kale tonight (usually ignor it). Other kinds of leafy greens are nice too, in moderation (beet greens, spinach).
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pigpal

Post   » Thu Feb 14, 2002 11:12 pm


I´m sure my pigs would love orange bell peppers, if I could afford to buy them! Last time I looked they were $4 a pound!

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lisam

Post   » Thu Feb 14, 2002 11:39 pm


Tell me about it. For some reason my daughter has fallen in love with the red, orange, and yellow peppers, and they are ten times as much $ as the green ones.

chyna_mn

Post   » Fri Feb 15, 2002 3:02 am


Well I bought them at super walmart for 2 for $3 (a little spendy I guess). I was just going to get two red ones but only one was a decent size and firmness so I decided to go ahead and get an orange and ask what you guys thought. I don´t eat peppers, I only buy em for the pigs. I honestly wouldn´t have any produce in my house if it wasn´t for them lol. They are so spoiled! They really like the red peppers so I hope they like the orange ones. Actually they haven´t been picky lately, just as long as they get a ´salad´ every night! and boy do I hear about it if I´m late on delivering!

Thanks for the list Lynx. I killed my grass and am gonna try and revive it... it´s grass it should come back? and weeds are hard to come by this time of year.... although we don´t have any snow... Minnesota and no snow... what a weird winter! I also have some parsley seeds I should start growing I´m running out of high places to stick pots where the cat can´t find them though... he´s evil and destroys everything! thanks again!

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Feb 15, 2002 7:52 am


By the way, my pigs like green pepper better than red pepper. I thought I was doing them such a royal favor when I gave them some sweet, treasured red pepper and they pretty much ignored it. Might be the taste wasn´t quite right (they did eat it another night).

Where you are, you might even be able to grow a small patch of timothy to feed your pigs fresh. It is nice and soft. I think the moles ate most of my timothy´s roots as very little is left. But they liked it plenty while it was around.

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lisam

Post   » Fri Feb 15, 2002 9:50 am


Your Walmart has produce?

chyna_mn

Post   » Fri Feb 15, 2002 1:50 pm


Lisam- supper walmart is a walmart with a supermarket all in one. We also have a super target with the same thing... are big K also has some grocery items not produce though.

Lynx- I live in an apartment building so I don´t have a yard to grow things like that but eventually when we have a house I´ll have a pig garden lol =) my husband will really think I´m nuts then =) I get Timothy hay from a local farmer it´s pretty nice, soft, sweet smelling. but not the same as fresh would be. I´ll have to try the green peppers. Like I said they like anything lately =)

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RavenShade
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Post   » Fri Feb 15, 2002 3:16 pm


I´ve started frequenting places like Magruder´s and local asian markets for less expensive peppers. Not that the boys appreciate it, but...
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Sunny

Post   » Sun Feb 17, 2002 3:59 pm


My piggies love bell peppers. Their favorite is blueberries... I just read Lynx´s note about fruit not being "as healthful." Is too much fruit bad for them? I usually give my pigs a baby carrot, some greens, and a 2 inch square piece of fruit twice a day. Is this too much?

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Feb 17, 2002 9:00 pm


A two inch cube might be alot -- it depends on sugar content of the fruit. Mine like blueberries too. I think some sorts of fruit are like eating candy (grapes).

Because of the high sugar content I wouldn´t give them tons but I do like to give them a little (example -- one or at most two pieces of fruit -- might consist of:

A single grape
An apple-pie sized slice of apple
A big cube of cantalope
A single fat strawberry
Half a dozen blueberries

-- you get the idea -- moderation is the key).
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ladyveg

Post   » Mon Feb 18, 2002 2:22 am


Sunny: "I usually give my pigs a baby carrot, some greens, and a 2 inch square piece of fruit twice a day."

You are so dedicated to your pigs--mine want to go live with you. I wondered about the baby carrot twice a day, though, is that one baby carrot per pig? I´ve read that too much carrot can be a problem, maybe someone else can elaborate, that it causes a liver problem or overdose of a certain vitamin. I only give the amount of a baby carrot every other day per pig at the most and usually more like two times a week.

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Sunny

Post   » Mon Feb 18, 2002 9:56 am


I have made baby carrots a staple in my pigs´ diet 1. because they love them and 2. because I read that it helps keep their teeth worn down. And yes, my piggies are a bit spoiled. My vet actually told me to put them on a diet; but she said only cut back on the pellets, that they could have as much hay, fruits and veggies as they want. I´m starting to wonder if this is bad advice. Can anyone recommend a good reference book that addresses these kinds of things? I hear/read so many contradictory things.

Evangeline

Post   » Mon Feb 18, 2002 10:25 am


The perfect diet would be this:
-all the grass hay (Tomothy, Meadow, Orchard, etc) they want, avalable at all times. Remember alfalfa is a legume and should not be a regular part of an adult pig´s diet.
-all the quality pellets they want. Stay away from the cheap ones and the ones with nuts, seeds and colorful bits in them.
-about a cup a day of various fruit and vegetables. HOWEVER, like Lynx said, you might want to go easy on fruit. Also, variety is the key, so try to offer many different kinds. Carrots are fine, as long as they are not part of the every day diet. Too much of it can lead to liver problems. A baby carrot every other day sounds ok to me, but I wouldn´t feed them to the pigs every day. As for carrots helping teeth getting worn down, it is not something specific to carrots. It applies to all crunchy foods and hay is usually what really does the job.

As for books, I am really not sure what to suggest you. I have many of those smaller, owner´s manuals and honnestly, there is not one I would suggest. Some have very good advice, but they all seem to also contain bad/dangerous advice as well as false information. My suggestion is to read this forum as well as Cavies Galore (where we used to be posting). At Guinea Lynx, we are fortunate to have several members with a lot of experience and even some with medical background like Joséphine. Basically, ask what you need to know and someone here probably has the answer or knows someone who could help you find it.

I don´t think your vet is giving you bad advice. Pellets is the only food you could reduce without causing them harm. However, I personally think that if your pigs are really too fat, you should try to give them more exercice before thinking of cutting back on food. But are your pigs really too fat? How much do thei weight? You know, pigs are supposed to be round and pudgy.
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Post   » Mon Feb 18, 2002 11:20 am


Oh, carrots are fattening, too. Alot of carbs for pigs. Oxbow Hay company´s timothy pellets contain less calcium and are less fattening than standard alfalfa based pellets too (theoretically, they will help keep a pig´s weight down). Evangeline is right on about hay being the best thing for teeth. I don´t know where anybody got the idea carrots helped at all. Hay they can chew all day.

Don´t forget fresh grass. It contains vitamin C and is a wonderful food source.

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Sunny

Post   » Mon Feb 18, 2002 11:21 am


Thanks for your reply Evangeline. I also have those small owner manuals and, like you said, some contain false information. I´ll take your advice and use the knowledge of the people of this forum.

Are my piggies really fat? It´s hard to say. They are certainly round and pudgy! I have a visit to the vet scheduled for later this week (getting toe-nails clipped) and will have them weighed then. Here is a picture of Spot and Fido when we first got Fido 6 months ago. Spot is about the same size, but Fido is now almost as big as Spot!!

Evangeline

Post   » Mon Feb 18, 2002 11:38 am


You should really learn to clip their nails yourself. It is easy ad will save you a lot of time and money. I use a human nail clipper and can usually do all my pigs (eight, at the moment) within 30 minutes.

Also, I recommend you buy a small kitchen scale and weight your pigs weekly. You should also keep a log. Weight loss is usually the first sign of illness, often a few days before the pig starts acting sick. So keeping note of their weight can really put you ahead of the game. Kitchen scales can usually be bought at places like Walmart for about 10$. I prefer the ones with a bowl that sits on it. That way, I can put the pig in the bowl and it´s easier to weight him since he can´t move around much.

Unless your pigs have a real weight issue, I wouldn´t cut back on the pellets. Different pigs have different shapes. Kleenmama has a 4lbs boar who´s not overweight. He´s just a really big pig. My smallest pig is 1lbs 13oz and my biggest pig is 2lbs 8 oz.
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Sunny

Post   » Mon Feb 18, 2002 1:56 pm


Evangeline - regarding clipping toenails. I´m afraid to do this myself because my pigs squeal horribly when the vet does it. I even leave the room because they look at me like, "How can you let her do this to us?" It breaks my heart. She charges $10 for a trimming so it´s not that bad... but I can see how that wouldn´t be an option with eight pigs (where DO you find the time?)

Sounds like the scale would be a good investment, thanks.

Lynx - where do you find grass? I live in Salt Lake City, Utah, and all the grass in my yard is either dead or covered in snow.

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RavenShade
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Post   » Mon Feb 18, 2002 2:19 pm


I find that trying to keep them as level as possible helps in trimming nails. They prefer having their feet on a steady surface. Or try Pinta´s handfeeding hold. With Steve, sometimes I do just one foot and go back to it later. But even he´s pretty good about it.

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Feb 18, 2002 8:16 pm


I´m in Virginia in the country. I go out for a walk and forage for grass. There is a nearby field where I can often find some fescue. I´ve even been known to pick grass during/after a snowstorm. I think it´s called dedication. Or stupidity.

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