- Got Pigs?
I understand if it is a medical issue but not sure on healthy pigs why the advantage of pelletless feeding. I must just not be getting something here. Please enlighten me!
Many of us who have had stone pigs (and I've had three in 3 years so far), have always been careful about Ca:P ratio with our veggies. One common factor seems to be that most guinea pigs who are diagnosed with a stone(s) have been fed a pellet diet -- particularly Oxbow. I don't want to open a can of worms about Oxbow pellets here (although I know several people who are starting to have concerns about their extrusion process), and I know there are so many factors that come into play with stones, but...I'm really starting to have serious misgivings about feeding pellets. This last scare with Henry has me wanting to be a lot more proactive than I was with Sidney, Sebastian and Zachary.
Linda told me that she didn't really get much feedback/support for her idea of a supplement, which I think is really a shame. In my opinion, there is an opportunity here for us to have the option of going "pellet-free" while ensuring that our guys are still getting all the recommended nutrients.
Any way we can pursue this further?
- Who's your Branni?
So why even bother? Why bother to get stones removed? Why bother to change diet at all?
I mean, if its really not going to matter because of physiology anyway, why do not we just euthanize them at the first sign of stones?
IF a pellet-free or limited-pellet diet has the potential to help reduce kidney stones in guinea pigs, I feel it's at least worth looking into.
- one pig at a time.
I also think with having a herd of pigs all living in the same cage that it would benefit them NOT to have pellets. I have contemplated many times going pellet free, but I just am not good enough with the whole ratio thing and the balanced diet. I would be afriad to make their veggie intake incorrectly and be at fault. I feel that with having a group of pigs in one cage that certain pigs sit by the dish all day eatting (like Belle), and others (such as Boris) are older and snack on and off. Poor Boris gets hungry and yet there is none left for him because over three pound Belle has eatten them all. I really wish there was a better alternative.
- 4 the Good of all Pigs
I think they may be better off without pellets because in the wild, they certainly don't get them. Hay is the big key for us to have out at all times for them. I think a "vitamin" pellet would be fab!
And here's something else to think about. Over the years animal husbandry has gotten so much better for all our little guys, dogs, cats and even the pigs. With them living longer we are opening them up for a whole host of problems not seen as much as before when their life expectancy was 3-5 years.
So, while we are doing good by vetting them and treating them for their illnesses, I think the medical world owes it to us and our animals to do more research for confounding illnesses like stones. Tumors. Heart issues.
If so many of us are having pigs with these issues, WHY IS THERE NOT MORE INVESTIGATION!?!
We in the GL community are doing our part by having necropsies done (for the most part). It helps know what went wrong but it doesn't help much for those still in pain. I don't think vets should be as afraid to treat these guys as they are.
If my pig is going to be euthanized anyway if we can't get rid of the f***ing stone, then experiment away, I say!
Sorry, I'm off soap box now. I know most of you feel the same way. I just had to vent since I'm going through this with Oz right now. I think it's starting to drain me emotionally.
- Who's your Branni?
Well hell yes, its a battle lost. Hell yes maybe they were not supposed to live past 2 year - but WHAT IS A HELPFUL SOLUTION?
Just euthanize them all? Just blow it off until they are in so much pain we cannot tolerate it? Just comfort ourselves they were never to live past 2 years and just have them put to sleep?
While anyone left still cares enough *OF COURSE* its worth pursuing a better/different option.
or else, why the [expletive deleted] would any of us waste our time and our pigs lives asking guinea lynx for help?
I had to watch Zachary slowly waste away over the course of 2 months from inoperable stones. It was absolutely the most difficult, heart-breaking thing I've ever been through with a pet. I really don't appreciate having nay-sayers come along and poo-poo those of us who want to try to be proactive.
I know Kleenmama did cite cost as an issue. Wondering if we could do a GL fund-raiser of some sort to help her pay for research and development?
- Who's your Branni?
Maybe we are fools for opting for heroic measures (surgery, etc. ) but WTF - if were ARE going to be fools for that, why would anybody begrudge us for being fools for other freaking options.
We know everyfreakingthing that stands up against us. Why in the hell is it unreasonable to ask that the people who care for other gps either stand with us in our search or STFU if what we are asking for is not harmful to ourselves or our pigs.
All we are doing is trying. Its all we have the strength and the power to do. If anybody in science EVER only listened to the naysayers, then A) we would be in a heap of trouble and B) maybe not even half of us here today would be here to naysay.
Still anxiously awaiting the publication of the UC Davis stone report. It was scheduled to be presented at a conference this month, but the speaker cancelled at the last minute and they're presenting something else instead. Damn.