Pelletless pellet??

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Slinky

Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:08 pm


Well hell yes, its a battle lost. Hell yes maybe they were not supposed to live past 2 year - but WHAT IS A HELPFUL SOLUTION?
You won't always win when you fight the good fight. But sometimes, whether you win or lose isn't as important as having fought the fight.

(I know you weren't the one suggesting giving up, but I think your question summarized the statement better than the original poster did.)

slavetofuzzy
4 the Good of all Pigs

Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:09 pm


Nathan? Navin. Silly branni!

Maybe some of the auction money could be used to help fund the R&D for KM?

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sef1268

Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:13 pm


I just shot her an email, asking her to check the thread. Maybe if enough of us are interested, and can make a commitment to help her with this in some way, she might be better able to move forward with it.

Brandilynn
Who's your Branni?

Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:18 pm


Sigh. Yes. Navin. My friend.

I am frothy pissed off. I am unreasonably irritated by things lately. I may need to give up being a part of this society if I only find myself frothing at what I consider the inaneness of it so much so that I cannot even produce my own freaking pigs name.


You are right Slinky. The question is, is the fight worth it. And I am under the impression for most of us, the answer is yes.

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Slinky

Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:21 pm


You are right Slinky. The question is, is the fight worth it. And I am under the impression for most of us, the answer is yes.
I can't tell anybody it's worth it or not, but I can say I sleep much better at night, knowing I at least tried.

slavetofuzzy
4 the Good of all Pigs

Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:29 pm


Amen to that slinky.

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sef1268

Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:31 pm


It is, after all, why we're here.

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Slinky

Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:33 pm


It is, after all, why we're here.
Speak for yourself. I'm here to get into stupid arguments with pinta over the origin of the Camaro name. ROFL. ;-)

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sef1268

Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:35 pm


HA! Then you came to the right place. ;)


Wonder if we could get a sort of "sign-up sheet" going of folks who are seriously interested in the pellet-less pellet concept?

Goose

Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:54 pm


I'd be interested for sure. This concept has been done before in other species many times over. It's just that guinea pigs are lower on the todem (sp?) pole than say cats and dogs or horses.

For example, many supplements are made for horses who can't eat grain or pellets or who are on a limited ration. This is done for many reasons, but usually it's because they aren't active enough to warrant the extra calories from bagged feeds. These horses would then have to get all their nutrients from hay and grass (assuming they are grazed). Since that's asking a lot from just hay many owners supplement with vitamin and mineral formulas. Many of these are either powdered or come in a pelleted form.

I can't see how you could feed a powdered vitamin and mineral supplement to guinea pigs unless you sprinkled it on their lettuce or something. It does seem reasonable to create a concentrated pellet though.

I guess I'm lucky because my pig barely touches his pellets (oxbow) and prefers his veggies and hay. But, for the greater good of all piggies, this idea sounds great!

Count me in as a supporter!

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Topaz

Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:26 pm


I would be interested as well.

I'd also be very interested to know more about which pigs of ours have been on which pellets, and which have or have not developed stones.

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:31 pm


I don't have a stone pig (TG!) but I am still interested in seeing if this would be feasable and contribute the little I can money wise. I certainly believe in going the extra two miles to help our pigs!

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:55 pm


It is my personal belief that if we could come up with some guidelines for a pelletless diet (I can fine tune an excel chart, you guys can get accurate scales), the best bet is to have individuals here try it, track diet religiously, and have a necropsy done on any pig that dies so it can be determined if stones were present.

There might be other people willing to be the control group and necropsy their animals.

The key would be documenting diet (which is what you wonder about) and doing a necropsy to determine if stones were present, thickening of the bladder, signs of bladder scaring, -- whether or not that was the cause of death.

I think it starts with you guys, not with raising money for a study (it would never be enough). You can be the study.

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WEAVER
one pig at a time.

Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:59 pm


Lynx, if you could work out a diet, I would love to go pelletless. I am not sure what I would have to do for several of my elderly pigs who just can not tolerate certain veggies, but I am very open for suggestions. With having seven pigs over the age of five, and several others close to being seniors, I am very receptive to new ideas to help keep them healthy and happy.

I for one would REALLY appreciate you taking the time to work on a well balanced diet. I would be willing to have my babies "guinea pigs" in this experiment.

slavetofuzzy
4 the Good of all Pigs

Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:01 pm


As would I.

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WEAVER
one pig at a time.

Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:05 pm


Doug just brought up a good point, with our pigs already being fed pellets their entire life, would'nt they alreay have some sort of stone possibly forming? Would it have to be a baby pig that does this "test" who has never had pellets compared to those of ours that have eatten them their whole life? Or do our pigs have so many health issues becuase of their previous conditions before coming to live with us? I always feel that a lot of my pig's health issues are becuase of treatment they had before coming here.

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:06 pm


Maybe I'm wrong and out of place here but wasn't KM talking about a PELLET and not fresh food? Please understand, I think a "stone diet" would be a great thing but not what KM was proposing.

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sef1268

Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:16 pm


No, not proposing we fund a study...proposing that those of us interested in her "pelletless-pellet" product, help with costs associated with developing it. Maybe an auction or something similar would help. It was just a thought.

Bug's Mom -- Kleenmama was proposing a nutritional supplement. A sort of "weekly" vitamin, I think.

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Slinky

Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:19 pm


I can't see how you could feed a powdered vitamin and mineral supplement to guinea pigs unless you sprinkled it on their lettuce or something. It does seem reasonable to create a concentrated pellet though.
Easier than that. Add the powder to water, then mix the water with some Hershey's strawberry syrup to make it taste great.
Doug just brought up a good point, with our pigs already being fed pellets their entire life, would'nt they alreay have some sort of stone possibly forming? Would it have to be a baby pig that does this "test" who has never had pellets compared to those of ours that have eatten them their whole life? Or do our pigs have so many health issues becuase of their previous conditions before coming to live with us? I always feel that a lot of my pig's health issues are becuase of treatment they had before coming here.
I have 3 guinea pigs of my own right now. Tika and Crysania are both under 6 months old, but no idea how old Alpha is. When Alpha finally gives up those precious bundles of energy she's hiding in her womb, I intend to keep any sow pups, as well as give them equally bizarre names.

I'm willing to give it a shot.

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:19 pm


Nope. First post on first page KM talks about a "pellet" : )

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