Pet stores improving?

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Knhappyface

Post   » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:56 pm


Thanks, that's a great idea, sammianne!

..Funny how this topic hardly relates to pet stores anymore *gigglesnort*
Still, I don't think I'll go to as great measures as buying NOTHING from pet stores .. my mom is highly opposed to buying absolutely ANYTHING online, she has this thing about her credit card number being stolen or being scammed.
Is buying everything BUT the piggies from a petstore just as bad as buying everything there?

Alibabble

Post   » Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:05 pm


I just moved from Prince George less than a year ago. The SPCA almost never lists their exotics on petfinder. Definitely wander down and have a look.

Also, the Ospika Pet and Farm beside All Mobile Vet has animals for adoption. They are owner surrenders and you pay an adoption fee of whatever you want. Two of my pigs came from there. As an added bonus they have most supplies and don't sell animals so they were my favourite place to go.

You can also put in your name with the vet clinics in town to see if anyone is looking to rehome. I worked at PG Vet for years and we used to keep an adoption book in reception that had ads for animals to be rehomed, and wanted ads. PG Vet will also order Oxbow food for you.

If you check craigslist and the buy and sell I can almost guarantee that there will be pigs there. So many people dump them once they understand that they will be work.

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snowflakey
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Post   » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:02 am


Just for your mom's information (hope this doesn't make her more paranoid!) - credit card scammers can get your number from anywhere! I've had a credit card for over 20 years, and the only time it has been scammed is from a gas station. One idea is to have a card dedicated to online purchases and have a low limit, so if it is scammed, you know right away where the scamming happened, and you also have less money available (although credit card companies are very good at refunding scammed money, in my experience).

Anyway, back to the topic at hand, I've found most pet shops don't even have the stuff I want, and online shopping works better for me in that regard. If you can find supplies-only shops, it is nice to support them. If you're stuck with PetStupid or similar, just don't visit the section with the animals. Avert your eyes! They'll pull at your heart.

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Leb
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Post   » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:37 am


My exotic vet sells oxbow products for my pigs so I don't need to buy from the pet store.

Also I found a pet supply store that doesn't sell anything living.

I just prefer not to spend my money on places that support the mistreatment of animals.

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mmeadow
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Post   » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:45 am


If your mom is nervous about credit card security online, let her know that most online retailers accept personal checks. For example, Oxbow Hay allows you to place your order online, and then mail in a check or money order. After the check clears, they send your order. Just like the old days of paper catalogs, when we'd mail or phone in our orders.

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mmeadow
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Post   » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:49 am


Is buying everything BUT the piggies from a petstore just as bad as buying everything there?
I think it is, because they don't make their money from the animals. Just compare a one-time purchase of a guinea pig for $35 to a monthly purchase of $35 worth of CareFresh bedding. It's a racket. The animals are a "loss-leader", the hook to get you addicted to the store. Unfortunately that relatively inexpensive item is a living, feeling creature. Just say no!

Brandilynn
Who's your Branni?

Post   » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:13 am


You can also purchase Visa and Mastercard gift cards from places like Wal-Mart and the grocery store and use them to order on line. They arent attached to anything but the amount they are good for, so its not an issue of anyone getting personal information from the use of them.

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Sammiannes Man

Post   » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:14 am


We have a sanctuary piggy named Veronica. She's also the only female of 10 total, including all of our fosters. The fact that she's sick certainly doesn't deter Me from loving the stuffings out of her and I treat her every bit as if she were My own personal little girl.

I try not to think of when she'll not be here but rather enjoy the time I was granted by the fostering agent.

She's My Princess and always will be. She doesn't mope around, has a VERY large set of lungs too. -LOL- and is a total love bug.

It is heart breaking to lose a piggy true, but at least I'll know that while she was here she was loved fully, and her life will be full and as pleasent as I can make it for her and if anyone tried to "rotate" her out of My care *grin* I'm BIG and ya hafta go through Me first to get her -LOL-

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Knhappyface

Post   » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:00 pm


let her know that most online retailers accept personal checks. For example, Oxbow Hay allows you to place your order online, and then mail in a check or money order.

The thing about that is she'd think they would take the check and not send the goods. In my opinion, she's beyond paranoid. I usually have to find ways to work around it =P

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Knhappyface

Post   » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:01 pm


Oh, and about the Ospika Pets, Alibabble - they only have one Guinea Pig for adoption, and he's a longhaired. I definately DO NOT want a longhaired.

Brandilynn
Who's your Branni?

Post   » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:07 pm


*The thing about that is she'd think they would take the check and not send the goods. In my opinion, she's beyond paranoid. I usually have to find ways to work around it =P *

You can also purchase Visa and Mastercard gift cards from places like Wal-Mart and the grocery store and use them to order on line. They arent attached to anything but the amount they are good for, so its not an issue of anyone getting personal information from the use of them.

bingley

Post   » Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:33 pm


I can say from experience there is no reputable pet store. I bought my current guinea pig from a small family owned pet store that is very popular in this small relatively wealthy community 30 minutes away from my house. They lived in a huge hutch with veggies, hay, etc. Guess what? I found lice on Bingley a month after bringing him home. THere is NO such thing as a good petstore. I will be adopting his friend from a rescue this summer, no doubt.

I totally understand that it is much harder because you cannot find any local shelter/rescue in your area, but you are saving yourself a lot of heartache in the long run, trust me.

I also noticed a previous poster said you can order oxbow from local vets sometimes. Thats a great way to build a relationship with a vet and get your products without bugging mom about her credit card. (My parents are the same, my dad finally got a credit card that we just use for online purchases).

Good luck!

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Feylin

Post   » Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:43 pm


The bigger question though is where did Bingley come from? I bet if you could see that mill/ byb you'd be HORRIFIED.

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sammianne

Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:02 am


There are 1,174 reasons on this page to choose adoption over buying a pig.

http://www.petfinder.com/breeds/smallFurry

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HPiggies

Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:46 am


I went to my supply store yesterday and picked up some oxbow stuff. I thanked the owner simply for being there and running his business. He often takes people's unwanted pets (birds, rodents) and finds them homes or good rescues. I recently gave them the name of a good GP rescue in the area, and he says he is developing a good relationship with them. If only *all* animal lovers could come in contact with these amazing people and products they would realize that the *norm* is actually pretty awful. I admit, as an immature, ignorant animal lover, I used to frequent pet stores. Then I started to research... and here I am.

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Cheshire Catfish

Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:02 pm


I think some of you are making very general, reactionary statements, maybe without considering all the sides of this issue.

I want to be clear: I agree that getting an animal from a rescue is always better.

What I disagree with is the statement that "all pet shops that sell animals are evil and bad."


Let me make a few points before you all jump on me:


1) Good pet shops that sell animals DO exist. My family runs one:

* We will not do business with any breeding mill of any kind. We sell small numbers of GPs and bunnies we get from a local breeder. We also take in shelter-bound kittens and sell them to good homes for a price that covers our cost to look after them. We do not sell puppies at all because we don't feel that we can take good enough care of them at the shop.
* We take care of our animals at the store. That includes treating illnesses! We don't sell sick animals, and there have been times we've paid $200 vet bills for an animal with a $30 price tag. Luckily we don't have to do that often because the animals we get tend to be very healthy.
* We will not sell any animal (not even a goldfish) to a person unless we can educate them about how to care for it properly.
* We carry only quality pet foods and products (Oxbow in the case of bunnies and piggies) and educate our customers about proper nutrition and health care.



2) For every one of you who has the patience to do the research and the waiting to get a pet from a rescue, there are 50 people out there who don't. They will go to the closest pet store and buy the first cute thing they see. It would be great if we could change all their minds, and maybe someday we will, but right now they are the vast majority and saying extreme things like "never buy an animal from anywhere" will usually get you ignored. That really is the truth.



3) So here's how it works: an impulse-buyer decides she wants a GP. Like so many people, she drives to the nearest pet shop without doing any research. Suppose that pet shop happens to be ours:

If we have GPs in the shop:
She'll walk in to our shop and say, "I want that GP there. How much is it?" and I have an opportunity to get her a healthy GP, educate her about its needs, and make money by selling her quality food for it.

If our shop had no GPs in it, but only supplies:
She will walk out of our shop without talking to me at all. Then she'll drive to the nearest Petsmart (unethical big box store), buy a sick GP, learn nothing, and feed it the cheapest food available. Another breeding mill makes another buck, and another poor piglet is doomed to a shot sad life.



Considering all that, do you still think we should just stop carrying animals, and let all those thousands of people do business with breeding mills instead?

Tammy

Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:07 pm


Local GP breeder... You're still supping the breeder.

Why don't you have the local snimal shelter/rescue do adoptions over at your store instead?

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Cheshire Catfish

Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:17 pm


"Local GP breeder... You're still supping the breeder.

Why don't you have the local snimal shelter/rescue do adoptions over at your store instead?"

Yes, we are still supporting the breeder. My point was that one breeder is not equal to another... it's far better to support a local low-volume breeder who treats animals well then to drive the impulse buyers to support a piggie mill instead.

As for doing adoptions at the shop, I have suggested it and I think we should. But, There is a stigma to that- even though it's not true, many customers will choose to buy from a big box store instead because they think rescue pig = sick/mean pig.

Tammy

Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:26 pm


RE-EDUCATE! Hand out the pamphlets. Show them GL.

It took me 4 yrs to convince some family members that adopting from shelters and rescues had its MAJOR ++++'s =) Takes a lot of patience and time. But in the end, it's worth it.

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Cheshire Catfish

Post   » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:50 pm


"It took me 4 yrs to convince some family members that adopting from shelters and rescues had its MAJOR ++++'s =) Takes a lot of patience and time. But in the end, it's worth it."

The fact that it takes 4 years sometimes to convince people to adopt is part of my point. You can take 4 years to work on a friend or family member. I would love to be able to convince every customer to adopt- but the fact is I don't get 4 years to work on them.

If I have animals in the shop, I get the opportunity to teach them how to take good care of a pig, and give them good resources.

If I have no animals in the shop, I don't get the opportunity to teach them anything at all - I'm just sending them to the breeding mill shop across the street.

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