Clipping nails

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Ciaytee
Almost Inbred

Post   » Sun Mar 10, 2002 1:19 am


I really need some help with this. I need tips, trick, etc., because I am just not doing this as well as I should be.

I have the worst time with Al. I can get his back feet alright--he doesn´t like it, but I can manage it. But I´m not able to get to the front ones. I have tried distracting him with food and wrapping him up in a towel, but neither works. He pulls those front feet so close to him that I swear they retract into his chest. I can force him to extend them when I wrap him in a towel, but it really stresses him out. I tried again tonight, and it was a disaster. He cried and cried and struggled, and after I gave up he literally curled into a fetal position and sobbed like a hyperventilated toddler for about 15 minutes. And for the next half hour he just laid there and didn´t move a muscle. It´s like he just shut down.

I hate doing that to him, and I´m afraid of stressing him that much, so it ends up that I go too long between trimmings. I would guess that there´s something wrong with his front feet, except that the only time he acts like they hurt him is when I try to trim the nails. They look healthy and he walks/runs (on the rare occassion he decides to get off his fat butt and break a sweat) fine.

I also tried keeping a brick in front of the food dish thinking that it would help keep the nails worn down, but I didn´t keep it in there for long. Al is a chewer, and he kept trying to chew on the brick. I had nightmares of broken teeth, so I took it out.

Do y´all have any advice on this? Should I continue to force his legs out, no matter how stressed he gets? Really, I can´t emphasize enough how bad he gets. It´s not just the bloody murder wheek. He really seems like he has panic attacks when I try to trim those front nails. What am I to do about this?

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cmtigger

Post   » Sun Mar 10, 2002 1:37 am


can you get somebody to hold him for you? Try to get somebody to hold him against their chest with his four legs out. then you can easily reach the legs, and even if it stresses him a little bit, it will not stress him like the long battles that you have been having with him.
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pinta

Post   » Sun Mar 10, 2002 1:54 am


Bloom has a bad heart and hates her nails being trimmed. She convulses so there´s a 50/50 chance I could take off her entire toe. I watch her colour(lips) and quit when she starts to get pale. I usually manage one or two nails in a session. I just wait a few days before trying the next nail or two. I do the nail check once a week so even at 1 or 2 nails a week it means she is getting a full trim by the time 4 weeks is up.

I hold her with her back against my chest and grab one paw and hold on tight while nudging the head out of the way. (Half the time they´re chewing on my thumbnail while I trim theirs.)

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Mar 10, 2002 7:38 am


I sympathize with you. Mine don´t like to get their nails trimmed and Nina sometimes has an attack of the vapors. They are such slippery little devils and it is so hard to hold the paw firmly but not feel you are going to injure them (Nina keeps pulling out of my firm grip -- I guess not firm enough).

I remember someone mentioning using a lose woven towel and the nails stick through. I don´t know if this would help you at all. I´m always a little more nervous clipping front nails because I feel I could get bitten.

I don´t know how much you hold him but always handling his front feet may in time get him used to it.

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Sonia

Post   » Sun Mar 10, 2002 12:11 pm


With Bramble, clipping her nails is a three person full scle operation. We arm my dad with favourite vegetable treats, and a small but high power, beam torch, and while mum and I work, he feeds the treats in small peices, so she doesn´t choke on them. Mum holds her, as described above, with her paws in the air, against her chest, and I take the paw, straighten her toes a little ( she was a resscue and her toes were deformed from overgrown nails, when we got her ) and clip away. While three people sounds a lot, I do think, the quicker it is done the better, unless there are extenuating reasons such as mentioned above. Then after that we let her get some floortime to work off the stress, and after a couple of hours, she stops chattering her teeth at us, and allows us to stroke her again. She convulses and shreaks as if I were removing her limbs without anesthetic if I do it on my own, so I figure that at least it is over and done with quickly, and she is fussed over no end by three of us after it´s done, which she loves.

Peace, Love, and Happiness, Always
Sonia

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Dobby
I gave what I could!

Post   » Sun Mar 10, 2002 1:51 pm


Sonia, what is a beam torch?

Evangeline

Post   » Sun Mar 10, 2002 2:00 pm


Flash light?

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Ciaytee
Almost Inbred

Post   » Sun Mar 10, 2002 3:13 pm


I think I like Sonia´s idea. Since I´ve had Al, it´s been hit and miss getting someone to help me. I´ve lived both alone and with other people, but even when I had roomies I had a hard time getting help. I kept being told, "I´ll help you later," but later never seemed to get there. But, I used a little guilt and manipulation, and my cousin has agreed to come over tomorrow to help me. Since we work for the same company, and I drive us to work, I can kidnap him tomorrow to ensure he keeps his promise.

If it still seems like Al is getting to stressed, then I´ll try Pinta´s approach and just do a couple of nails every few days.

Thanks for the advice. Oh, and I hope that a beam torch is a flashlight. I´d hate to think she´s using a butane lighter or something like that. It might be quicker, but I bet it´d smell really bad

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Jill

Post   » Sun Mar 10, 2002 3:26 pm


I had visions of something akin to a blow torch, but knew that our gentle Sonia would never be THAT rough and tumble with her piggies.

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Dobby
I gave what I could!

Post   » Sun Mar 10, 2002 6:26 pm


I thought it was some kind of blowtorch, too, IAMPM.
I hope Evangeline is right with her flashlight guess. *LOL*

pinta

Post   » Sun Mar 10, 2002 7:50 pm


Today I took Bloom by surprise and flipped her onto her back on my lap(her head by my knees) to do the front nails. Worked this time becasue she haddn´t connected the position to bad stuff.

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Jill

Post   » Sun Mar 10, 2002 7:58 pm


Were you able to do all of her front nails?

pinta

Post   » Sun Mar 10, 2002 8:01 pm


yup.

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Seansfamily

Post   » Sun Mar 10, 2002 9:13 pm


I got Greta, the psycho pig, good yesterday when I clipped her nails. I was amazed. She was so scared from getting cut too close that she QUIT wiggling.

The flour tricked worked, btw.

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Dobby
I gave what I could!

Post   » Sun Mar 10, 2002 10:13 pm


Flour trick? Fill me in, Seansfamily. I have a bit of trouble with trimming Buddy nails myself. I get my mother to clip them while I hold him. He BITES me when I clip his nails, the little bugger. No treat or towels in this world keeps him from wriggling his way around so that he can give me a good, hard nip on the hand or arm.

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lisam

Post   » Sun Mar 10, 2002 11:36 pm


Oh yes, the old try to clip the pigs nails story. It is always a stressful time here. I usually forget my glasses and have to yell at the kids to find them for me, then yell at them to get out of my light! It seems that right at that moment the kids decide they want to pet and kiss the pig I happen to be trying to trim. This of course makes the pig more nervous, and they keep pulling away their paws just as I am about to cut! It seems as though the ones you think will be good are the worst. Some of them squeal like I cut off their toe, and this makes the kids crowd around again to make sure I did not maim the pig. I have tried various holds, and different ones work with different pigs.

It is interesting how their nails grow at different rates--even on the same pig. Shmi´s back nails grow fast and require frequent trimming, yet her front ones stay short.

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KarasKavies
For the love of my girls!

Post   » Sun Mar 10, 2002 11:46 pm


Nail clipping is awful! It´s the only bad part about having piggers. Of my 3, only Penny will let me do them. Mostly because she is a hog and too worried about the food I put in front of her! I just put her on a towel on the counter with a pile of greens in front of her. I can actually clip her nails without lifting her paws. I just lift the little toes! Then I turn her around, towel and all, and do the other side! The other 2 are awful! After I am done and sweating like a pig, I need a drink! The kind with alcohol! It makes me a nervous wreck! My black pig is extra awful. I just hate it!

Kara

Louise

Post   » Mon Mar 11, 2002 6:16 am


I agree with pinta - take them by surprise and do it in quick sessions before they have time to panic. Speed is the key.
Humphrey hates having his nails done - I can only do it in sessions as the longer I take the worse he gets.
I´ve tried it with someone holding him but that doesn´t work for me - it´s too awkward. He does bite me but not hard - never breaks skin but I think I´m becoming tougher since I got the parrot! I often find that the less tightly I hold them the less they panic. Humph stands on my lap and I get hold of whichever foot is available. He does shuffle around a bit but they all get done eventually. But if I try to get him in a half nelson or whatever he flips out totally. Seems to make him feel like he really has something to panic about.
In a nutshell - keep it low key and quick.


All the new ones are as good as gold - not a peep! The late Brownpig was an abject coward and had to be done like Humphrey - but the late greypig was a real stoic. endured anything without complaint.

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Lynx
RESIST

Post   » Mon Mar 11, 2002 7:01 am


Seems like we´re making a good case for keeping them in shackles. A pair of shackles, front and back, grasp the chain and the nails are ready.

Wonder why I gave my pigs a whole room? It was the nails! I had the crazy idea that if they ran around on a stone floor (400 square feet of soap stone), I wouldn´t have to trim their nails. But it was only wishful thinking.

Louise

Post   » Mon Mar 11, 2002 8:22 am


perhaps pinta could invent some sort of adjustable pig clamp

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