Chooks and pigs? Can they be housed together?

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Thibault

Post   » Sat Mar 30, 2002 6:11 pm


I don´t think this scheme is gonna work, but my pa´d like to get a few chooks in the backyard soon, and asked me if they are compatible with guinea pigs. I dunno, so I thought I´d ask you guys; can chooks live peacefully with pigs? Or does it have the same/worse potencial for the pig getting accidentally/intensionally wounded?

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Mar 30, 2002 6:24 pm


Not a clue. Chook? What the heck is that? You have a picture?

Yer not setting up an April Fool´s joke now, are you?

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Thibault

Post   » Sat Mar 30, 2002 6:37 pm


Chicken, I mean.


April Fool´s joke? What´s that? ;)

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Mar 30, 2002 7:44 pm


Being of a conservative bent, I would say NO! Don´t put them together!

I would be afraid the chicken would peck the guinea pig (which are not defenseless, by the way, and could inflict harm on the bird).

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lisam

Post   » Sat Mar 30, 2002 11:02 pm


I love chickens. But they do poop all over the place, and some harbor that one kind of pathogen, you know, that one that birds carry that cause intense smelly diarhea and possible death, man, what is the name of that???? My mind is coming up with a complete blank, and I feel really stupid about it because I did have a horse that had it once, contracted from chickens. Come on, someone please help me out here...

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lisam

Post   » Sat Mar 30, 2002 11:03 pm


Salmonella!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Thibault

Post   » Sun Mar 31, 2002 3:46 am


Yeah. we know, we´ve had chooks before, but not at the same time as having pigs. Just wondered, you know? Seems that overall it´s a bad idea, all youse are saying?

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Mar 31, 2002 9:05 am


Ope. Here´s a bit from Harkness and Wagner to wrap it up and put the kibosh on the idea:

Salmonella ssp. are widespread in nature and affect a broad range of vertebrates, although the disease is rare in research colonies and probably in pet mammals. Guinea pigs are highly susceptible and develop severe clinical disease....

It´s usually spread by the "fecal-oral" route through the ingestion of feces or fecal contaminated feed or bedding. Control is difficult because Salmonella has the ability ot survive in the environment. Sick, compromised, pregnant pigs are particularly susceptible, particularly in winter. It is extremely difficult to get rid of and many of the antibiotics used to treat it have a high probability of causing enterotoxemia.
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Sonia

Post   » Sun Mar 31, 2002 1:40 pm


I wouldn´t put them together. Apart from anything, they do have claws that can hurt a piggie, if the chicken is suddenly alarmed and runs over the piggie. Also Chickens are meat eaters ( they usually eat worms and slugs as well as grain and grass ), and I have personally seen a chicken eat a mouse ( granted that it was already dead ! ) and another one chase another chicken to peck at a naked peice of flesh. It is also known that chickens do peck at rats and mice that have got into a coop. I would be worried that the piggie would be harmed severly if not by the Salmonella, then by injury, whether it´s intentional or not. Saying that, I love chickens, and if your dad is going to get some, then they are very interesting birds. Just house them seperately from your piggies, and safely away from foxes, ok !?!

Peace, Love, and Happiness, Always
Sonia

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Thibault

Post   » Sun Mar 31, 2002 6:15 pm


Okay, thanks you guys. I´ll be printing this off and showing him now.
Happy April Fools!
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Evangeline

Post   » Sun Mar 31, 2002 6:45 pm


Thibault-
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND???????????????

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Thibault

Post   » Sun Mar 31, 2002 7:17 pm


Yes, yes, I´ve just realised that I am.
Now I´m going back to my box till another piggy question pops up.
Like this one; how close can the pigs be housed to the chooks? Is it just as long as they can´t contact any feces? Or does the salmonella spread further than that?

Evangeline

Post   » Sun Mar 31, 2002 7:21 pm


Well, dry chicken poop turns to powder when it dries and it seems to fly everywhere when they flap their wings. I would not put my pigs anywhere near chicken.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Mar 31, 2002 8:56 pm


Did you read the, "Salmonella has the ability ot survive in the environment"?

Watch out or I´m going to tell Evangeline to work her will on you. Yer not likely to come out alive.

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Thibault

Post   » Sun Mar 31, 2002 9:29 pm


Yeah, but! But! But! Are you saying that if we get chooks, I´ll have to have all my pigs inside? *please, please, please*

As long she doesn´t intend on use a whip and leather mask, I´m okay with that. ;)

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Mar 31, 2002 10:32 pm


You´d be lucky if she only used her whip and leather mask!

You might be able to keep them both outside but you need very different areas. If you have an extension service they might be able to advise you of how much of a problem this might be. There might even be tests you could do to see if this bird had salmonella (checking the feces).

It´s all up to you now. Do some research on your own and figure out what is the safest.

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lisam

Post   » Mon Apr 01, 2002 12:01 am


And I am very interested in what you find out, so could you please let us know? There is nothing like a warm brown egg right out of a beautiful speckled (or red, brown, etc...) hen.

I had heard a rumour once that chickens fed organic food may not have salmonella.

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Thibault

Post   » Mon Apr 01, 2002 1:02 am


I just looked in to that rumour, seems it´s true. Poultry that feeds on pasture is less likely to develop Salmonella than grain-fed ones.
BUt, Lynx, (stupid question, but) what´s an extension service?

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Apr 01, 2002 7:39 am


I forgot you´re in Australia (right?) but around here (USA) there are state and local extension services that help farmers and the public on agricultural issues (and would know about things like this). They also have info on spraying schedules for fruit trees and advice on gardening. They can do testing or tell you where to get it done and are aware of farming animal diseases.

Hey, I drempt about chickens last night -- they were laying eggs like crazy, 3 or 4 popping out of one chicken at a time. Now I wonder where that came from....

Stargazer49

Post   » Tue Apr 02, 2002 10:36 am


[Sez Stargazer with a reallllly big grin...]

Thibault, there is but ONE solution to this delimina---

The wheekers MUST BECOME HOUSE PETS....immediately, if not sooner!! LOL...

It´s the ONLY sensible solution and of course, it the ONLY way your Papa can have his CHOOKS....and you can have your darlin´ little "mates" in your room, too!! Hee hee....

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