Know you guinea pig, know your poo

emilyam19

Post   » Sun Jun 30, 2013 3:24 pm


It turned out to be a difficult task because his nails were so encrusted with poo I couldn't see a thing.
This is a problem for all the pigs in my herd because of Charlie's poop issues. Running it under water or using a damp cloth doesn't work once the poop has dried. I have to pick it off dry with my finger nails. They hate it (sometimes the poop is so thick I can't exactly see where I'm picking so I think I might actually be scratching their toes) but it's the only way I can get this stuff off their toes. Then after I wash off their feet and put them in the cage, they'll step in another poop pile and I'm right back where I started.

I try to spot clean at least once a day and daily I change out pads to cut down on how many soft poops are in the cage but it's a constant battle to keep things somewhat sanitary. The food bowls are usually caked with poop along the rim (this can happen overnight). The beds and most of the fleece are smeared with poop each day.

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pigwidgeon

Post   » Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:13 pm


Thanks, guys! The pig is currently in a 2x3 C&C. My suspicion is that he doesn't get enough hay, because my niece insists on giving him his hay in a small little ceramic bowl instead of a hay rack or hammock like most owners on here seem to. Like just a small kid-sized handful of hay. I told her he needs a constant supply of hay, and she keeps assuring me he has one, but I find it hard to believe a little handful of hay will suffice while she's at school and her parents are at work.

My Dad told me to make them a hay rack like the one I use (I know my pigs whack hay like there's no tomorrow.) Here's a photo:

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But I'm not sure my niece's family will use it b/c the kid got very upset when I put a large (grownup-size) handful of hay in the cage instead of a neat little kid-sized one in the ceramic bowl.

That's another problem. My niece seems to have her own little system for taking care of the pig (the cage is in her bedroom) and gets upset if it seems like I'm criticizing it, no matter how tactful I try to be. And her parents just get mad at me for upsetting the kid even though that wasn't my intention.

I will try to follow your advice, Lynx, although it might be difficult since I don't see them all that much, and as I said above, i'm dealing with a family who is very set in their pig care ways, and who don't seem to mind the soft poos and the smell since the pig seems otherwise healthy. But if I'm going to be called over every time they need to clip his nails, I'm going to tell them they gotta learn to clip his nails themselves (I linked the GL page), because I am not here for scraping poop off with my fingernails and the smell legit makes me want to boot. Maybe they are used to it so they don't mind as much, but for me, it's always an unpleasant shock. It makes me feel bad to say that, but you know, I already got two piggies of my own to take care of. I'm glad to help, but they gotta learn sometime.

My brother, at least, seems more amenable to taking my advice and was asking about a more open hidey than the pigloo, like the one I use (it's just a desk organizer shelf thing I got at an office supply store, and then pinned a scrap of fleece to as a "curtain"). My niece is a good kid, but is still a kid, and I don't feel very comfortable with her being the pig's primary caretaker. It bothers me that she was the only one observing carefully during my nail clipping adventure. I should've insisted my brother watch since he's going to be doing this next time. Sigh.

Thanks again for the responses!

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:46 pm


I wonder if putting the pig in a shallowly filled sink with a bowl of greens to help soften the poop on the feet would help.

wenton5

Post   » Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:52 pm


pigwidgeon, it is great that you are pushing the hay issue, I would be concerned about the smell. Maybe a little dose of benebac would help clean his gut out. Stinky poo is something that would get my attention.
Thanks,
L


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For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:34 pm


The second link is from Topaz and the third from slavetofuzzy.

wenton5

Post   » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:27 pm


Awesome! I would also like to refer back to Charlie's medical thread by emilyam, there is mention of Giardia, check list for possible problems, poop and medical chart and Zoe's long term on and off poops. Thanks everyone. :) L

wenton5

Post   » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:42 pm


I know that this is for humans but I did read somewhere that a guinea was diagnosed with this. Just something to add to the mix when trying to target hard to diagnose cases.
http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Helicobacter-Pylori-and-Stomach-Pain.htm,

moonfall

Post   » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:16 pm


When you say soft and stinky, how soft and how stinky? Is this a different odor than urine smell, and by soft, does it appear different than poop that has simply been stepped in?

wenton5

Post   » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:18 pm


Can you give some bckround on your pig? Did you check out the normal poo pics?

moonfall

Post   » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:25 pm


I did, and that's what they usually look like. I saw one or two odd-looking pieces but don't know which pig made them. The cage smells a bit already even though I just cleaned it, although I think it's more of a urine smell. I ran out of hay and am hoping that's the only issue (will be getting more, of course.)

moonfall

Post   » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:48 pm


Not able to edit, but I just swept the fleece, and a few pieces were longer and thinner than usual, and I did find broken bits that I am guessing were stepped on. I just went back to fleece after about a month of Carefresh, so I'm hoping that's why I'm smelling something.

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For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:31 pm


When I see poo stuck in a pig's foot, poos in the cage squished flat, or when they're squished & stuck to the snugglies I start to be a bit concerned. Being stuck to the snugglies or really stuck to the foot are worse that just being squished flat in the cage.

I can't comment on smell because I've lost my sense of smell.

wenton5

Post   » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:22 pm


If it was me, I would go get hay today. How long has the poo been like that? Has it been hotter? Any change in diet? Behavior? Water consumption? Appetite? How does everyone look? It could be the lack of hay, it could be cut down on the veggies. Observe, how do they seem? Are they all doing their normal quirky things? Anyone sleeping more, lethargic, not hungry, more or less water habits? I smell my gp's poo (sorry), but if I come near the cage and smell poo, then I know something isn't right. The urine smell, that's a whole different issue. Put down some fleece or towel where you can see the color of the urine better. Look for sludge. Sit and watch everyone. How long has it been like this? :) L

moonfall

Post   » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:09 pm


The fleece is white with a print on it, and I haven't seen any urine stains at all. No change in appetite or drinking, and the only behavior change I've seen looks like it's related to being in heat. I've been giving them more carrots and pellets to make up for lack of hay.

I don't smell poo, really, just urine. I'm wondering whether I got used to the Carefresh (which absorbs odor better) and am suddenly more sensitive to urine smell?

ETA: I would have gone to get hay today, but I don't have a vehicle, and the Sunday bus service is pretty lousy.

moonfall

Post   » Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:33 pm


Should I get an extra water bottle/food bowl just to make sure no one is hogging the food/water? I have one really dominant sow and one really submissive one, and the third is sort of in the middle. It has been hotter lately, but the indoor environment is a bit cooler than they're used to because my new roommate keeps turning the air conditioner down to below 70.

moonfall

Post   » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:57 pm


I just realized what I thought was an "abnormally long and thin" piece of poo was actually two normal poos lying end-to-end in a way that made them look like a single piece. I feel a bit silly but also relieved, although I am going to continue monitoring the pigs to make sure there isn't anything more serious going on than temporary change in diet.

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Ibepatience
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Post   » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:32 am


My foster pig Hanna started having very mushy, smelly poop on Thursday. I started her on Bene-bac and stopped veggies right away and by Friday she wasn't any better so I took her to the vet. The vet did a fecal exam for parasites which came back negative. She prescribed Biosponge and Flagyl in case it was a bacterial infection. 2 days latter and it looks like her poop in solid again.

I agree with what someone else said, if its sticking to them it's probably not normal. I made poop soup while waiting to get her into the vet and normal poop is pretty solid, it's hard to mush it in water even! Someone asked about the smell, Hanna's poop smelled like dog poop, like real poop smells. Guinea pig poop doesn't usually smell, its the urine that smells.

Hanna is a Peruvian and I'll tell you what - long haired pigs and diarrhea are not a good combination!

Here's what her poop looked like Friday
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emilyam19

Post   » Mon Jul 08, 2013 3:11 am


long haired pigs and diarrhea are not a good combination!
I know what you mean, Charlie has long hair too. It's hard trying to keep things clean when something that poops as much as a pig has messy poop. I ended up giving Charlie a buzz. He was surprisingly ok with it. I originally tried trimming it with scissors but it was taking too long and he was getting anxious (the clippers let me finish in under 5 minutes). It isn't very fashionable but it helps keep things a little cleaner.

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Ibepatience
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Post   » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:30 am


If she was mine I'd cut it short but since she's a foster looking for a forever home I didn't think I should. We did have to trim her butt hair a little though.

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