I'm thinking about getting a sow for my boar

GuinessOllie

Post   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:31 pm


Hey guys , I want to get a sow for my boar because I want to raise and sell piggies . I also want to get a sow for him so he can have a friend to make him more happy than he already is , so he can be a piggie . He wants a sow because he wants a family . I love baby piggies . I love all Guinea pigs of all ages

JX4

Post   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:56 pm


You are not going to find support for breeding on this forum. We had accidental babies and yes, they are cute, but you also have to care for them. And it was nerve-wracking to me to find good homes for them. Many baby guinea pigs are picked up by snake owners as snake food. Don't do it. You can get your pig neutered and then get him a sow. He can "do it" to his heart's content but you won't have babies.

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:58 pm


Ditto JX4. You are best off finding another forum if you want to breed. We strongly discourage it here, for many reasons - risk to the mother and pups and overpopulation issues. You knew this when you signed up. It is pretty clear.

bpatters
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Post   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:41 pm


We're anti-breeding for good reasons. There are hundreds and hundreds of guinea pigs in rescues and shelters that need good homes. No one should ever breed as long as there are pigs that need adoption.

Do you know about the genetic diseases that pigs have? Do you know what a pig with lethal white syndrome is? Are you prepared for lifelong, expensive vet care if you have a lethal white pup? Do you know about osteodystrophy and the pain those pigs are in? Do you know about microphthalmia and how to care for blind pigs?

Do you have the money for exotic vet visits if something happens to your pigs? What happens if a sow has a pup too large to deliver? Can you afford an emergency spay, which would be several hundred dollars?

How will you find good homes for the pups? Or do you just plan to let them to go to anyone who'll pay your fee? What if they just want the pup for snake food?

How will you feel if your sow dies during labor and delivery? The death rate is high for both sows and pups, in no small part because guinea pig pups are so large in relation to the sow.

If you want to make money, I'd suggest you find someway to do it that doesn't have such a huge potential for causing suffering to small innocent animals.

GuinessOllie

Post   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:30 pm


I will not sell any of my baby pigs too snake owners . I will interview my potential buyers to make sure the pigs will go to a snake free home .

bpatters
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Post   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:45 pm


Well, we're still not promoting breeding here. So you'll have to find somewhere else to help you. Don't bother with Guinea Pig Cages either -- they're a non-breeding site also, and you won't get any more help there than here.

GuinessOllie

Post   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:56 pm


I understand . I just wanted to put it out there and I thought I would make a post about here for some advice . But I was wrong . I didn't think I would get bashed .

bpatters
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Post   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:00 pm


I don't know why you didn't expect it. As I remember, the terms of service when you join this site explicitly say that this is a pro-adoption, anti-breeding site. And there have certainly been dozens of threads discussing it.

GuinessOllie

Post   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:20 pm


You know what I really don't agree with this anti breeding . if this is a site to give advice and knowledge to Guinea pig owners/ new owners . It should be good advice and friendly advice . Users on here don't deserve to be bashed and don't deserve ignorance from users . Nor should I . I am very offended .

JX4

Post   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:24 pm


If you do decide to do it with support from somewhere else, know that snake owners are very good at fooling inexperienced breeders. They will bring photos of the cage they have set up to keep their guinea pigs in. They will bring photos of the home they are going to. Except it often isn't their home or their guinea pig cage. They know guinea pig owners usually don't want their babies going to snakes, so they come prepared to tell you what you want to hear.

There are also people from Peru who eat guinea pigs. Cuy (guinea pig) is practically a national dish. A couple I know through a mutual friend the husband is a native of Peru. He looks for adult guinea pigs to pick up from people who are tired of them and he grills them and eats them. Seriously. I know it's his culture, so I try not to hold it against him personally, but believe me I try to keep piggies away from him.

Once a baby has left your home, you have no control what happens to it. That's why we only re-homed two of our babies and kept the rest. We have more guinea pigs than we planned on, which has sometimes been hard, but I couldn't bear the thought of the cute babies we had grown attached to going anywhere else. It didn't help that the two we re-homed got given away to another party a year afterwards and I have no idea whether they ended up snake or people food.

Your boar is so cute, you should indeed get him a friend. But please no sows to breed. He can be friends with another boar or you can neuter him or you can find a spayed female at a shelter.

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:12 pm


bpatters makes excellent points. If you plan on breeding your guinea pig, you need to find a different forum to post on. We will not be supportive.

crowcrash

Post   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:03 pm


I deal with baby pigs every day where I work, and it loses its charm.

Aside from all of the emotional reasons, it just costs a lot. Piggies are super poopers, and the young ones make an art of it, so you have to change the bedding much more often. One litter of pups can blow through bags of hay and wood toys like it's nothing. Sometimes you'll get that unpredictable baby that bites a littermate's ear, or someone shows signs of a cold - bam, vet bills. Your piggy parents may also be carrying bordatella and you wouldn't know because they don't show any signs of an infection (especially if they came from a pet store or shelter, where they're exposed to it), and that results in miscarriages and complications that results in more vet bills.

It's just not worth it. Do foster care for animal rescues instead and play with lots of babies without risking yours. A lot of people foster dogs and cats, but guinea pigs and rabbits are currently in dire need of foster care too.

GuinessOllie

Post   » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:49 pm


Well Guinea Lynxx should be supportive . Life sucks life is hard . Maybe who ever owns this site should shut it down . I come on here and post my feelings and passion . Sometimes I feel like I'm getting bashed and not getting the support and advice this site is for . I will say this I have had good experiences with forums I put out there . With all bashing I just think it's wrong . jjx thanks for your kind words and generosity . Those of you who were ignorant you should be ashamed of yourself .

bpatters
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Post   » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:04 am


Actually, GuinnessOllie, Lynx owns this site. She provides it, at no charge to users, for the health and welfare of guinea pigs. It's a source of medical and care information even for veterinarians, and is often cited by medical sources as a good resource.

You, on the other hand, ignored the terms of service you agreed to when you joined this site. And when you got some pushback when you announced you wanted to breed your pigs, all of a sudden you're being "bashed." On the other hand, if you'd respected the agreement you made when you joined, this issue would never have arisen.

This is not a site for you to post your "feelings and passion." It's a site for people to learn and share about the care and welfare of guinea pigs. If you want social support, pick a social forum. This one isn't it.

And Guinea Lynx IS supportive. It's supportive of guinea pigs, and of people who want to care for their guinea pigs. But needlessly risking the life of a sow because you want to make money isn't caring for your pigs. It's selfishly overlooking the dangers of pregnancy and birth in order to put a few dollars in your pocket. None of us are interested in supporting that.

Classicalcavy

Post   » Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:54 am


Actually, Lynx is very supportive. She is supportive of the guinea pigs and the folks who love and care for them. Guineas are delicate creatures in spite of their pudginess. Pregnancy is dangerous for them and the pups and the mother can be lost. Some of us have adopted pregnant Guinea pigs and we find support and encouragement here. There are so many homeless animals, Guineas included, there is no valid reason to breed more.

WICharlie

Post   » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:44 am


Baby pigs are cute. There's no way to get around that. What isn't cute is removing the two dead pups of the five that your sow just gave birth to because that's the way they were born. What isn't cute is rushing your sow to the vet a week after she gave birth because she has gotten a massive infection and is losing weight and falling over in the cage. What isn't cute is watching a pup die from aspiration because you are trying to keep it alive after the mom died and it's just too small to feed with a medicine dropper. I can attest that none of these things are cute because I've been there with foster pigs that I took in while being a volunteer for a guinea pig rescue. If you go ahead and allow pigs to breed, you need to be ready to deal with all this type of not-cute.

Incidentally, you may very well place your babies in a home without a snake if you are careful. The problem comes in when that family grows tired of the pig (its not getting enough attention, the kids won't take care of it anymore, the new puppy keeps chasing it, etc.) and THEY decide to get rid of it. Then it can end up as snake food or dumped into the bushes in the park.

GuinessOllie

Post   » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:24 am


I'm willing to take the risk . When I first realized I wanted a guinea pig after my Syrian Hamster passed I knew what I was getting in too . I always wanted a guinea pig ever since I was kid but my mother wasn't too fond of it because of the goat smell . But I'm 23 now . Finally after 22 years my mother was like ok if that's what you want go get one . So I did and love every minute of owning my pig . I will do everything that I can to help and care for the babies if something is wrong . If some of the babies die I would be ok because I did what I could . Those babies will cross the rainbow bridge knowing that I did my best to save them or give them best life even if they were different . I will keep records of my potential buyer phone numbers so I can keep In touch to see how things are going . If it isn't working out I would gladly take them back and take them to a rescue or somebody who is experienced with piggies . With out further do I will continue to create appropriate fourms if anything goes wrong with my boar

bpatters
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Post   » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:32 am


You're willing to take the risk, but you're FORCING your sow to the risk.

And if the babies die, you DIDN'T do what you could. You could choose not to breed the sow in the first place, and the pups would never be in that situation.

In this case, it's not about the pigs, it's about YOU and your determination to do something that seasoned guinea pigs owners and rescuers are telling you is not a good idea to do.

GuinessOllie

Post   » Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:42 am


If anything goes wrong with a piggy or two I will do best to care for them but if it's more than I can care for i will take them to a rescue for guinea pigs that way I know they would get the proper care . I would keep the ones I will be able to care for . It's not about the money . It's about my passion and love for guinea pigs and exotic animals . I want to go back to school for exotic animal medicine . If do decide to breed I can have the experience teach myself and learn more about problems they are prone to and how to treat it .

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Red252

Post   » Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:47 pm


It seems like you are not listening to the advice given here, and that you have already made up your mind, but just in case you are willing to listen, here goes.

I will be blunt: if you breed your guinea pigs, you are a bad pet owner. It is dangerous, painful, irresponsible, and selfish. What you have said implies that you believe your desire to learn about guinea pigs is more important than a guinea pig's life. If that is not true, then I beg you to consider everyone's posts here. They have decades of experience raising these creatures. Sometimes the wisest thing is to listen to someone who has been down that path before so that you don't make the same mistakes. You don't have to breed your own guinea pigs to learn from the experience of those who have had to take care of litters and pregnant pigs.

No one is upset that you WANT to breed guinea pigs. The desire isn't bad by itself--we will only judge you by your actions if you choose to pursue this cruel course of action. I understand wanting to pursue a passion and wanting to experience the miracles of life. We are upset because there is a better, safer way to learn about guinea pigs and care for them.

If you want to learn how to take care of guinea pigs with medical issues, please think about adopting one of the MANY guinea pigs with special medical needs out there instead. That would be an admirable and kind way to accomplish ALL of the other goals you have stated. If you do have a passion, and it would be a beautiful thing to see it given to guinea pigs who have been abandoned, guinea pigs who need high levels of care, and guinea pigs to whom YOU can give a second chance at life.

I hope your boar gets a friend and that they both live long and healthy lives. Please understand that no one here is bashing you--breeding can KILL your guinea pig very easily, and we are trying to make sure that ALL of your future guinea pigs can have those long and healthy lives.

ETA: I seriously question your integrity when you say that you would "take the babies back" only to give them away to a shelter or rescue again. I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and take your words at face value, but I must be honest and say that this viewpoint deeply concerns me. It is almost like you are saying "I want to breed my guinea pig, but I take no responsibility for the outcome," which is chilling to read. Pets are your responsibility to care for as long as they live. That is the way it should be.

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