Candy - weightloss

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rshevin

Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:27 am


Piggy's urine was much closer to pH. Also negative for glucose.

Now I wish I still worked in the lab so I could sneak a minute on the digital pH meter.

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Becky

Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:33 am


The following is from this site about diseases of guinea pigs. Bold added by me.

http://netvet.wustl.edu/species/guinea/gpigs.txt

Clinical signs of ketosis include anorexia, adipsia, weight loss of 12-18% within
96 hours, hypoglycemia, lipemia, ketonemia, ketonuria, urine pH 5-6 (normal is 9),
clonic spasms of voluntary muscles, coma, and death (in 4-5 days unless interrupted
by parturition).

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Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:42 am


Becky - you're a genius.

So Candy has a perfect ph - just a bladder full of stones.

Hmm, what to do now.

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Becky

Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:50 am


I'd still be extremely curious to know why your vet wants to lower the ph.

I have a vet appointment this weekend. I think I'll ask him about this.

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Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:52 am


Becky, let me know what your vet says - it would be interesting to know.

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Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:57 am


Becky, how reliable do you think that reference is, though? In the same paper it mentions cavies needing 5mg per day to prevent scurvy - which sounds a little low to me.

I think we need to double check on the ph.

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rshevin

Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:02 am


I can tell you the university that published that paper (16 years ago) is attached to a major research hospital for humans but has no veterinary program. Maybe it's in one of Josephine's books.

Edit: I wonder if it was written by a pathology student? PAT 707 looks like a course number for a graduate level class. Also "winter quarter" is mentioned. Said university hasn't been on the quarter system in ages.

Edit2: Please note I do not mean to imply that old=bad because there are many old references that are far superior to those currently in print.
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Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:05 am


I wasn't doubting that!

But we've seen many times varying 'norms' published in various reliable texts. So sometimes it helps to have second, and even third texts to back up the information.

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Becky

Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:09 am


Here's another reference from a vet. Have no idea how knowledgeable he is, but he also says 9 is normal.

http://www.2ndchance.info/gpreprodprobs.htm

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Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:13 am


Thanks, Becky.

But this is interesting if Rshevins pigs have a lower ph, no?

I have to get some ph strips now and test all my pigs!

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Maja

Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:31 am


As far as I know, normal pH is 9, that's what my vet told me too.

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Becky

Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:37 am


I imagine if they're OTC strips, there might be a slew of variables. I would be suspect of a base ph on guinea pig urine as their urine is alkaline.

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