Please Help! my 5 day old orphaned guinea pig refuses to eat

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Webs
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Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:07 am


Which vet was you went to, as I think you would do better finding another one.

I know it can be hard here in the UK, but first off visit this website to find a vet in your area which should have more of an idea of cavy issues. Look for an accredited one for small animals and preferably one that lists exotics as this is what cavies are listed under. Also don't be afraid when you phone up to ask if they have treated many guinea pigs or anyone in the practice has any of their own.

Emergency supplies can be bought online from Thistle Cavies online shop here including different syringes and Oxbow Critical Care, scroll to the bottom of the page. You can also contact them for advice as they have had many babies in various states of health over the years. They would also tell you not to give the milk though and to hand feed little and often.

At the very least your vet should have given you Supreme Science Recovery which is another handfeeding supplement that UK vets 'should' have if they don't have the Oxbow Critical Care.

Forget Mette the Vet I'm afraid there is far more up-to-date vet advice elsewhere that isn't concerned primarily with breeding.

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ellissian

Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:55 am


there are only two in this town mine is caled clifton lodge and the other one bridge is worse than mine one of my cats came back in appauling condition when she got neutered at bridge.

Just got some digital scales popcorn weighs 69g, chilli weighs 62g and pepper 59g. Going to the vets now

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Bethie
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Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:13 pm


Thanks, Webs! That's a great site. I may be able to find a better vet within 20 miles of home now.

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PiggieMamma
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Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:56 pm


Ellissian Said :
I already know how to hand feed guinea pigs Ive done it lots of times when my other guinea pigs have been ill. Ive even hand reared a runt before...
I am bothered by how you came to have to pregnant sows. I am further bothered by how this is apparently not the first time.

If this is to be a routine occurance, I'd suggest you invest in milk replacement formula, and Critical Care.

It is my understanding that this is the closest to a guinea pig's own milk : http://www.foxvalleynutrition.com/prod/details.asp?CID=1&PLID=1

*Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that account.

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ellissian

Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:40 pm


If you have nothing nice to say piggiemamma dont bother reading my thread. ok

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PiggieMamma
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Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:30 pm


I don't believe it is the intention of this forum to 'say nice things', I believe it is to give valuable medical advice.

And furthermore, you did pose the question "why do you find this disturbing".

If you want people to stroke your ego and tell you what you'd like to hear, I suggest you join another forum.

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Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:15 pm


Piggiemamma, I hadn't seen that milk replacer before. I'll check the numbers (the numbers are probably O.K., it's the ingredients that are the problem). Generally speaking, since cavies are so precocious they do the best on something like Critical Care alone and no milk replacer.

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:21 pm


Oh my goodness. I actually started to read the rest of this thread, then had to stop. You all are being incredibly patient, I think. I couldn't read the entire thing. :(

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PiggieMamma
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Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:30 pm


Thanks Jo. Let me know (honestly) what you think about the composition of the formula. I'd thought it'd be a good thing to keep on hand when I've got my rescue up in running (in a few years time).
I couldn't read the entire thing.
It has been a difficult pill to swallow.

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:52 pm


Actually, the numbers are WAY off. Here's what I have for the numbers of cavy milk:

8.1% protein
3.9% fat
3 % lactose

Here is the formula:
32% Protein
40% Fat
15% Carbohydrates

Not even close. In addition, it is full of corn syrup (bad for humans and other animals alike), milk by-products, and plain vegetable oil. How is that supposed to equal cavy milk? It is so easy to raise cavy orphans compared to other animal babies. You can do it even with inappropriate milk replacers or with more biologically correct foods. Either way. 1 hour old or several days old. Short of putting them with another lactating sow, getting them on solid food is the best for their GI tracts and development. We can't duplicate mom's milk. It just isn't happening.

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Mum
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Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:59 pm


Angela had a couple of practically newborn babies that she was able to handfeed from the beginning (maybe a couple of days old).

Done properly, and with patience, babies can be handfed with critical care and do just fine.

I did tell elissian that, way back at the beginning before either of the babies died. I gave her specific instructions with specific amounts. I told her again, and again.

Elissian isn't really here for advice clearly.

This is a total waste of time - poor little babies.

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:04 pm


I know. I had 2 pups from a mom that died of dystocia that I hand-raised from birth on (never nursed, which debunked a lot of Old Wives' Tales) as well as several from a few days old that lost their moms to toxemia or other health problems. Not a big deal, really. A lot easier than nursing a pig with pneumonia or something.

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PiggieMamma
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Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:15 pm


Jo, I may just contact Fox Valley and ask why they are advertising that formula as acceptable for cavy use.
Elissian isn't really here for advice clearly.
Clearly.

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PiggieMamma
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Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:27 pm


I've got a 'Snuggle Puppie' for fostering orphaned animals (which, strangely enough, I haven't had to do since getting the Snuggle Puppie).

See : http://www.sitstay.com/store/toys/snugglepup.shtml

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Mum
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Post   » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:33 pm


I looked after Angela's orphans (one boy, one girl) for a day when they were about a week old - she had them in a wonderful, extra puffy snuggly bed that they seemed very comfortable in. And they did love their critical care! (And yes, they had to be fed around the clock).

When they were 21 days old they came into the rescue here, and I paired each baby with a same sex mate and was eventually able to adopt them both out. I hear that they're both doing very well now.

Interestingly enough, they weren't particularly 'tame' as they became older. They far preferred the company of their adult friends - and I believe still do - although they will now just tolerate The Hand!

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sus4rabbitsnpigs

Post   » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:40 am


Ditto. They were fine on pellet mash, pedialyte and CC.

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barb5417
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Post   » Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:18 am


Again, I have to say that, clearly, you are not here to help your poor pigs!
I, too, am concerned as to how you get so many pregnant sows?
The people that tried to help your pigs should be commended for their patience. They tolerated you in order to try to save your babies. Even when it was clear that you weren't following their adivce, they kept trying.
Finally, you promised never to visit this forum again, since you were being critisized for not taking the adivce that you sought. And you are still here? Could that be, because this forum is the best place for the most knowledgeable advice?
Hum............ Then maybe you should take it.

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Webs
Cavies 'n Cobwebs

Post   » Sat Jan 27, 2007 9:08 am


ellissian has posted on Pimms Pages too, a UK site, and has bred pigs before but the information here on GL is far better. The Oxbow CC or Science Recovery are far better than Complan and are meant for small herbivores.

If she has contacted Thistle the little ones will still have a better chance, as long as it's not too late already.

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Kermie831

Post   » Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:46 am


Our babies were hand fed from 2 days. Our vet suggested a bottle since I was nervous about aspiration issues with a syringe. The babies took to it wonderfully and it was easy to measure after each feeding. (Do not know if this is ok or not, but it worked) and after a week of being up every hour or two and letting them watch the older pigs eat solids (monkey see, monkey do, I think). They transitioned to a regular diet and chubbed up quicky. They are now 6 weeks old and holy terrors :)

It was a wonderful learning and bonding experience, but not something I want to do again!

Thank you GL for all your advice and encouragement thru our hard times!

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ellissian

Post   » Sat Jan 27, 2007 11:02 am


What do I need to contact thistle for the babies have been on science recovery for 3 days now.

I find that pimms pages are not as harsh as the people on this one I feel like a witch being hunted here.

If Im not here to help the pigs why am I here exactly!!!!

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