Pig In Distress -- Mites -- HELP, Please...

MelNH

Post   » Sun Apr 27, 2003 3:52 pm


I don't think there is anything wrong with spot treating "hot spots" with bag balm and other topical treatments for itchy, dry and raw skin. I do not see how bag balm is any worse than lets say preparation H. I might suggest using desitin over bag balm though, same things apply don't cover the pig in it and if you even suspect the pig is ingesting it discontinue use.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Apr 27, 2003 4:43 pm


Bag Balm
by Dairy Association Co., Inc.
Ingredients include:
8-Hydroxy Quinoline Sulfate .3% in a Petrolatum, Lanolin base

The only active ingredient is an antimicrobial product used on to prevent cut flowers from getting moldy and an agent to inhibit Botrytis cinerea infections in grape vines.

Come, come, Bag Balm? Ya know someone tried to patent it to treat human baldness. Sounds like quackery to me.
http://www.law.emory.edu/fedcircuit/jan99/98-1258.wp.html

And if you look for 8-Hydroxyquinoline Sulfate, one site claims it is used in deoderants, fungicideds, and antipersperants.

http://www.chemicalland21.com/arokorhi/lifescience/phar/8-HYDROXYQUINOLINE%20SULFATE.htm

There is absolutely no doubt this is not a miticide and would not kill the mites at all.

I'm with Lisam in not wanting to use this product on my guinea pigs when better options exist.

The most comprehensive review of the active ingredient of this product (which also mentions its use in Bag Balm) notes: This product appears to have a long history of accepted use in conventional agriculture, but literature about toxicity and safety is not reassuring. Its derivation from coal tar, the incomplete studies on dermal and skin sensitivity, and lack of information on this older product render it questionable. Alternatives may be sufficient so that this material is not needed for the welfare of animals in the organic system.

The reviewers mentioned its toxicity, impact on the environment, effect on human health, and on organic agriculture. Their conclusion was:

Conclusion
Hydroxyquinoline sulfate is clearly synthetic and prohibited unless added to the National List. A majority of the TAP reviewers find that the availability of alternatives and uncertainty about safety are sufficient reasons to not recommend its allowance in organic systems. The OFPA prohibits the administration of medicines in the absence of illness (7 USC 6509(d)). One reviewer is concerned that the substance has antibiotic properties, which are also prohibited in subtherapeutic doses under OFPA 6509(d). The NOSB has sufficient reasons to recommend that hydroxyquinoline sulfate not be added to the National List. These reasons include the evidence that the substance is synthetic; that the toxicological properties are not clearly established; that a widely used product containing this substance is considered by FDA to be an unapproved new animal drug; and that there are several alternatives available for producers.


long url from Google -- http://www.ams.usda.gov/oldnop/nop2000/nosb%20recommedations ... uinoline.rtf

2steps

Post   » Sun Apr 27, 2003 6:26 pm


never seen that site before but won't be trying that on my pigs!

'Smear the guinea pig with a thick coat all over. Don't worry about the eyes, its tears will wash it out. '

That's just unbelivable. Would imagine it's something like getting shampoo in your eyes....ouch :(

lyria

Post   » Sun Apr 27, 2003 10:01 pm


Just to be accurate... a hot spot is a particular are in which an irritation becomes progressive... mites or not, she is progressively scratching at one spot.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Apr 27, 2003 10:31 pm


I found something on the hot spots dogs experience.
http://vetmedicine.about.com/library/weekly/aa071300a.htm
Guinea pigs don't get hot spots like dogs do (biting, licking, worrying). They may bite the area if they have mites but there really is no "licking" and worrying that goes on.

The hot spots dogs get described on this site can be caused by a variety of things. If it is mites (I'll pick that because it's the primary cause of a self inflicted injury in a guinea pig), they must be treated. This site recommends treating dog hot spots by:
  • Shaving the area. The first treatment for hot spots is to dry them out and get air to the area. Hair loss is a feature of hot spots, but hair can also mat over the inflamed area, covering up a potentially much more severe and large problem.
  • Cleansing it with cool water and a gentle skin cleanser.
  • Using a cool compress 2-4 times a day with a cool wet washcloth.
  • Medications - Depending on the severity and size of the hot spot, your veterinarian may prescribe oral antibiotics, topical drying sprays or medications, and/or special shampoos.
  • Prevent the animal from licking, biting, scratching by using an Elizabethan collar
  • Additional home remedies they recommend until you can see your vet:
    • Tea bag compresses (black or green tea) to aid in drying the area. Tea can be used as a wash or as a compress.
    • They also recommend Domeboro's (Burow's) solution (aluminum acetate) -- used as a compress or as a spray. This is supposedly available over-the-counter at pharmacies and is used to help dry the skin out [this product is also used for an animal experiencing urinary incontinence].
    • Hydrocortisone creams - Some people advocate using a thin film of an over-the-counter hydrocortisone cream. I would recommend talking to your vet first -- in general, creams and ointments only serve to "gunk up" the area and prevent proper drying if used incorrectly. Also, if the pet licks it, you want to make sure that it isn't toxic.
So basically, they wouldn't recommend Bag Balm either. Too gunky. See a vet, keep it dry, sooth it. Dump the Bag Balm.
Last edited by Lynx on Sun Apr 27, 2003 10:40 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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melcvt00

Post   » Sun Apr 27, 2003 10:38 pm


Yup. Bag Balm on a hot spot is just asking it to get worse.

Without seeing it, I'd almost recommend antibiotics. Keep that area as clean and dry as possible.

pinta

Post   » Sun Apr 27, 2003 10:52 pm


What about pure aloe vera gel? Is that safe to ingest? It's very soothing.

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cavyravy

Post   » Sun Sep 14, 2003 11:34 am


My pig has mites and Susie Q offered to treat him with ivermectin for me. I washed him yesterday, he does have sores, but he wasn't in pain, I am sure of that. I don't have much experience with guinea pif mites, but if the pig is in that much pain, and the ivermectin isn't working, perhaps that is not the problem. You need a better vet.

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cavyravy

Post   » Sun Sep 14, 2003 11:36 am


One more thing, my dog had a skin infection, we weren't sure what it was, but baby oil rubbed on her skin worked very well. I don't know if it is dangerous for pigs, so don't use it until you ask your vet, just a suggestion.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Sep 14, 2003 3:31 pm


cavyravy, this is a very old post, not a current one. Here for reference instead of for offering advice.

Baby oil would not help.

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cavyravy

Post   » Sun Sep 14, 2003 4:52 pm


Okay, thanks, new to the forums so I wasn't sure. :o)

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