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Talishan
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Post   » Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:40 pm


Well shoot. I should have thought of that. Our MamaPig does the same thing, and as she ages, is increasingly more prone to gassy bouts (and she definitely looks and acts ADR when she gets them). Giving her plenty of room to run around and exercise helps her. Without chasing her or anything, extra exercise for Frankie, if possible, may help her.

Let us know what Dr. Dan says about your Mama Pig. Our vet says ovarian cysts can be present without hormonal manifestation, so I'll be real interested to hear what Dr. Dan finds.

chii
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Post   » Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:11 pm


Me too. I'm planning to one by one get each of my girls in to see him to check for cysts and just for a general checkup. Mama Pig is due to go in next Wednesday, assuming that I don't have to take Miss Aya-cat in to the Internal Medicine specialist that day. (See my thread in General Chat on Aya. I left I.M. a voicemail today telling them I'd take their first available follow-up for Aya-- they're really hard to get appointments with.)

chii
I Love Lucy

Post   » Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:22 pm


Had to bump back Mama Pig's appointment by a week, so I took her in today. Dr. Dan found nothing wrong with her. He says that someone's definitely barbering her, but he doesn't think it's her. He could only barely feel her ovaries, so he says she's not cystic. Teeth looked great and had no evidence of hair stuck in there, which he would expect to see on a pig that barbers.

He also says I should be seeing hair in the poop, but I haven't noticed any. (Not that it would help if I did, since there are six pigs in that cage.) I'll have to keep a closer eye on it, though. He's concerned because whoever is chewing off the hair is putting themselves at risk for an intestinal blockage. I asked him what I should do if I figure out who it is, and he said essentially my only options are to either separate out that pig or take my chances. Neither sounds great. Granted, this has been going on for over a year now and no one has had a problem, so I don't know. I wonder just how great the risk of a blockage is. He couldn't answer that question.

He said the only other thing that would incline a pig to barber is a poor diet lacking enough fiber, but I don't think that's an issue... they get unlimited hay and plenty of veggies. They do only get pellets off and on, but the hay and veggies provide most of the fiber anyway.

I'm guessing my best bet for figuring out who it is is to separate out the other pigs one at a time for a couple of weeks each and watch for Mama Pig's hair growing back. My first suspect is Moosey since Mama lived with everyone else for a good long while before Moosey was integrated. I can't remember exactly how long ago I first noticed the barbering, but Moosey was the latest introduction for sure before it began. I did introduce Jerry after Moosey, but I'm pretty sure she had already been barbered before then... hmm. If I'd realized it was a problem, I would have kept a record of it.

The other thing that surprises me about it *not* being Mama Pig is that none of my girls are particularly tolerant of other pigs messing with them. I can't imagine her just letting someone else chew on her hair without raising hell about it. I've also never seen anyone (including Mama herself) doing anything that resembled barbering. I guess someone's having late-night grooming sessions when no one is looking. (Exotic piggy spa!)

Any ideas or suggestions for figuring out who's doing this besides separating out each pig one at a time for a few weeks? God, that will take forever... and the separate pig will be lonely.

chii
I Love Lucy

Post   » Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:27 pm


Also, I forgot to add that Dr. Dan says the classic barbering pattern for a pig with ovarian cysts is two strips on the back, starting midway down on the outside of the spine. (The strips would start just in front of where their stomach gets fatty and pear-shaped and then continue backwards for a few inches.)

Mama Pig actually has that pear shape, but I guess it's because she was a mama once. So does Jerry (who is spayed, but was also a mama at one point).

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:57 pm


That pattern does not ring a bell re-ovarian cysts. What Snowflake had was probably not self barbering (unless she was pulling it out vs. eating it). Smooth, on side of abdomen, left and right.

chii
I Love Lucy

Post   » Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:59 pm


Yes, true hair loss is more commonly a symptom, but at my last appointment, I had asked him about barbering, and apparently that can occasionally be a symptom in pigs that otherwise have none.

Talishan
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Post   » Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:00 pm


I think we are seeing two patterns referenced here; one, the classic hormonal hairloss pattern Lynx mentions, and two, self-barbering, which is what Dr. Dan is talking about.

If the cysts irritate the animal, or are intermittently or cyclically painful, achy or otherwise aggravating, the pig may self-barber her sides where she can reach them?

chii
I Love Lucy

Post   » Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:38 pm


Exactly. He says that it's not the first thing he looks for in terms of symptoms of ovarian cysts, but that in a seemingly otherwise healthy pig, sometimes self-barbering can be an indication of cysts, and any pig that barbers should be checked. Within the first 10 seconds of me putting Mama Pig on the table today, he said that while she is obviously being barbered, he said her pattern was not at all what he expected with a cystic pig. He then palpated her abdomen to confirm that no cysts were felt.

He says it can also just be a bad habit, like chewing your nails. Once they start, it becomes a habit and they can become obsessive about it. And then, of course, the nutrition indication. A self-barbering pig may be in need of more fiber (not to say that it needs extra, but pigs that don't get adequate veggies, for example).

In terms of Mama Pig, he doesn't think there's any medical reason that another pig would barber her. He suspects that someone just picked up the habit and since she's the only truly long-haired pig in my herd, she gets the brunt of it.

pinta

Post   » Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:22 pm


I had 3 rescues come to live with us. One abby and two peruvians. Both peruvians were severely barbered by the abby. The barbering completely stopped once they joined our herd. The abby hangs out with a different group of pigs and doesn't barber despite one of her new clique being a peruvian.

I have a theory the abby was trying to fix the peruvians - to make them look like a "normal" pig. Once she joined our herd she had another abby to hang with and skinnies and shorthairs. She's no longer odd pig out. She also has a herd leader attitude and has taken over as herd leader on our group(no one else wanted the job).

chii
I Love Lucy

Post   » Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:01 pm


Very interesting. I wonder if the one of the other pigs think Mama Pig doesn't fit in and is trying to "fix" her. Buttercup is the next "oddest", but even she is pretty short-haired compared to Mama. She just has the Abby whorls, but a little longer than a normal Abby would have.

chii
I Love Lucy

Post   » Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:44 pm


I'm posting on this thread because Benji and Frankie came together from the lab at NC State University.

Frankie has passed away. I knew she was probably older than I initially thought after I learned that Benji was much older than I had thought. If that's true, I'm actually fairly impressed that Frankie has survived nearly 2 years after Benji's passing.

RIP Frankie and Benji. I hope you are both together now.

This leaves Buttercup as my only "original" pig that came with me from NC. I have also Jerry, Sam and Ember (oldest to youngest) who are still with us.

Frankie and Benji: You were the second generation of pigs for me. You were my heart after Mr. P and Miss Pea passed. You will be missed. I hope you are at the Rainbow Bridge munching away with all of my other babies who are gone. And Frankie... no stealing Benji's veggies. Kay?

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:52 pm


I'm sorry about Frankie. We all know she had a great life with you. Rest well sweet girl. You are missed.

pinta

Post   » Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:13 pm


Sorry another one is gone. Nancy, the barbering peruvian passed on (cancer) but another recent rescue (shorthair) fancies herself a hairdresser and has done an awful job on another rescue(peruvuian). Suki now has a mullet.

They come and they go and they come. Each one adds a little(or a lot) and leaves a memory so as time goes on you have so much more than what you started with.

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:42 pm


I'm sorry she is gone, chii.

Tracis
Let Sleeping Pigs Lie

Post   » Mon Nov 24, 2008 8:15 pm


I'm very sorry that Frankie is gone. She was loved and cherished.

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