Henry - crusty eyes, lethargic

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I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:19 am


E. coli can be very hard to get rid of.

Did you get a sensitivity report, and if so was the Bactrim mentioned?

I know that Pigginess had a very hard time getting rid of this, and eventually had to resort to Azithromycin (only as a last resort) to kill it off.

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somechick

Post   » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:27 am


Well Dr. D said it was sensitive to Bactrim, and she's pretty good so I'll assume that yes we did get a report and it said that. But I'll double check anyway. Henry was on azithromycin before and she didn't tolerate it at all - same as when she doesn't tolerate the Baytril and Cipro, etc. So let's hope this works.

Should I treat all the pigs for e. coli? How does one GET e. coli anyway? Why do I always get the weird diseases, coccidia and now this.

But that aside, if anyone has any info about the homeopathic stuff, that'd be great.

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Piggster

Post   » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:30 am


Just a thought, as I know you've tried just about everything, but I wonder if this is just truly cystitis and thickening of the bladder walls that's causing Henry's pain.

My Kyla was diagnosed with cystitis about a year and a half ago at the age of 1 1/2. She turns 3 next month on 11-24. She's been on a long term maintenance dose of Septra for a little over a year. She gets it three days per week, twice per day, gets .7 cc's as her weight is 1134.

We started with .4 cc's but that wasn't enough to stop the pain and gradually upped the dose and .7 seems to work. (Knocks on wood) and she has been virtually pain free for the past several months.

Parsley and too much romaine seem to be the triggers for her so I feed very little romaine and no parsley at all to my pigs now. I feed them primarily green and red leaf every day, with some occasional escarole 1-2 times weekly and give them a little bell pepper, tomatoe or cucumber garnish, and cilantro - they also get watermelon or cantaloupe a few times per week, occasional small piece of orange. They get get tiny amounts of other veggies too of course.

One of these days I'm going to get motivated and start following Becky's diet religiously, but for now this seems to be working.
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Post   » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:37 am


Dr. D said it probably is a cystitis case (well except now we got some e coli mixed in there), which is fine, but she's still in pain, so we need some serious pain management here and nothing is helping so far -- which is why I resorted to this homeopathic stuff. Since Henry can tolerate Bactrim, then she'll tolerate Septra. Something else to ask my vet as well.

But my question, which I've been asking all along and I don't know if we have an actual answer or not: I have not changed Henry's diet since the day she came to live with me, so why would she get cystitis after a year if nothing has changed? Is it just like any other disease? I'm cancer free my whole life, nothing has changed, but then I get cancer?

I don't feed romaine or parsley anymore. I think my diet is pretty good according to the calcium:ph chart. It's nearly identical to yours. Although Henry loves dill so I do give her that once in awhile, as it is pretty high up there.

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Post   » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:39 am


Piggster, Septra is bactrim, an antibiotic, no? Any pain meds also? Sounds like you're essentially preventing the development of a uti.

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Post   » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:44 am


As far as I know Lynx, Septra and Bactrim are the same thing - just different brand names. No pain meds (knocks on wood again).

Yes, we are preventing a UTI. Kyla has very thick urine and her bladder walls are very, very thick according to Curt Nakamura at Adobe Animal Hospital.
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somechick

Post   » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:45 am


Yes, Bactrim and Septra are the brand names for that long named antibiotic. TMS? TMP?

So how can an antibiotic make her have no pain? it's great she's in no pain though. I don't know the general concensus on Peter Gurney, but here's a link mentioning Bactrim. It also mentions barley water, which, yeah, I don't know about that. I'm not sure I'm able to make that sort of thing. It also talks about stones and wet bums. Henry does have a dirty bum, so that makes sense. But so far we have seen no stones, and we've had many x-rays and 3 ultrasounds. http://www.oginet.com/pgurney/cystitis.htm
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Post   » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:51 am


somechick, we really don't know why it's working so well so far, but Curt feels polycitra, shilintong etc are not warranted at this point. We'll try those of course if what were doing does not work in the future.

I really hope you can find some solutions for Henry - it's absolutely heartbreaking what you have been though with her.

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I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:58 am


SC, I just wanted to wish you and Henry good luck with everything.

I lost a piggie back in September who had developed an abscess that was filled with E.coli. The culture sensitivity that we had done showed that E.coli was suspectible to a wide range of antibiotics so our vet had us use Baytril for 2 weeks then we switched to Bactrim. Sadly Portia also developed a secondary infection of staph in the form of an internal abscess and we lost her. Hopefully you'll have an easier time with Henry. *fingers crossed*

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Sef
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Post   » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:59 am


I wish I understood more about homeopathy. I tried a homeopathic remedy once for my sinuses, but got impatient and switched back to prescription stuff. :\

As far as diet. We've had Zachary since he was a baby, and he was always fed romaine and other things that had a not-so-great Ca:P ratio. Never had a problem until he was about 2 1/2. Why did it take 2 1/2 years for the bleeding to start? I've never understood it. And now, ANY change in diet makes him have sludge or bleed.

Wishing Henry luck on her new stuff. I will try to search GL today and see if I can remember which member here is experienced with homeopathic therapy.

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somechick

Post   » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:00 am


Shilintong has done nothing for the H-nug either. This is heartbreaking. And it's costing so much money and we're in the same exact place - if not worse due to the elapsed time - that we were back in May. I'm afraid there will be a point where I honestly can no longer afford it. And that scares me.

I will obviously do anything within my power to get her pain free, but I have to stop at some point. I can't put her through surgery over and over, I can't keep giving her drugs that she's intolerant too. Basically I don't want to make things worse in an effort to make thing better. She's already been through a ton.

I wonder if there *is* a stone? But wouldn't we have caught that? Wouldn't it be HUGE by now? Unless it's hiding somewhere an x-ray and ultrasound can't see?

I'm not dealing with a moron vet here either. She's good so it's not like there's an obvious stone she's missing or she's taking lousy x-rays. Everything points to stone or obstruction, yet... nothing. The only thing we know is that she's got a thick bladder.

momof911 - dear lord, that's dreadful. That is not what I want.
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Sef
I dissent.

Post   » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:01 am


Meant to add in my response that we tried barley water with Zachary too, and it did zilch.

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