Pelletless pellet??

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Post   » Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:56 pm

OK, I have been working with a nutritionist about a new idea I had, and would LOVE some feedback on it.

I know there are alot of you out there that are either feeding a pelletless diet, or would LIKE to feed a pelletless diet but worry about the vitamins and minerals and specific nutrients that a pelletless diet may lack.

So I was thinking of making a pellet that would contain very little hay, but some to bind it and make it palatable, but would provide all the necessary nutrients for your pigs.

I think the research bears out that alot of teeth issues and also some digestive issues are related to the fact that pigs tend to eat more pellets, get full on those, and don't eat enough long fiber hay.

So I am trying to come up with a "pellet" (just the size and shape) but they would only contain the necessary nutrients and all natural ingredients for those of you who are pelletless or want to go pelletless.

I always wanted to stop the pellets with my herd, but I was afraid that I would be unable to calculate how much of each veggie each pig would need. Also, in a herd environment, it is nearly impossible to tell who is eating what! So I was worried that Buttercup would not get enough C, and Seemee would not get enough phosphorus, etc.

Is there any interest out there for something like this?? It would not be cheap, but most things worthwhile are not.

I need feedback to see if it is worth pursuing. Thank you! :)

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:30 pm

Sure, I'd be willing to try some. My feeling is that the main source for Bug's diet is hay (which she eats LOTS of) and her veggies. I would have no problem as long as I knew she was getting what she needed as a supplement.

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Post   » Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:32 pm

Yes, I would be interested! Particularly for Sebastian, my "stone" pig.

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Post   » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:37 pm

Like Sef, I have a stone pig. I would be interested!

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Post   » Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:56 pm

I think it's a wonderful idea.

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I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:15 pm

I think it's a terrific idea too.

But as I have mainly seniors (5+ years) with health problems I don't think I'd be able to try it. If I had a cage of younger pigs, though I'd definitely go for it.

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Post   » Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:16 pm

So, kind of a daily vitamin pill for each pig? That would be cool! Combine it with KM hay and fresh vegs and fruits and the pigs would be happy!

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E's Moriarity

Post   » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:01 pm

That is a very interesting idea.

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Post   » Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:37 pm

I would definately be interested! Kyla would probably really benefit from a pelletless pellet due to her cystitis.

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Post   » Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:12 pm

Yes please pursue it!

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Got Pigs?

Post   » Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:14 pm

Would this be feed like pellets unlimited access?


Post   » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:01 pm

I have a pellet question: is an alfalfa-less pellet like Oxbow's Cavy Cuisine okay for a stoney pig as long as he's eating plenty of hay too?

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Post   » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:19 pm

dgarriques, no, it would not be fed that way. It would be probably a once or twice a week feeding, with very few pellets needed.
It would basically be for peace of mind that the pigs were getting additional nutrients that may be missed by produce and hay feeding alone.
It's impossible to tell with so much of our produce coming from different countries how it has been farmed. If alot of the produce is coming from areas where the soil is poor (even in the US) then the standards for nutrients could be low or lacking completely.
I am still working out the logistics, and not sure it would even be possible to get a mill to make small batches like I would need.
Unlike regular pellets, you would obviously never need a 50 lbs bag and so 1-5 lbs would be more likely.

Misadventure, Cavy Cuisine is a good choice for a stone pig. Pellets made from timothy hay have a lower protein content that alfalfa pellets.

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Post   » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:38 pm

I love the idea -- a sort of nutritional supplement. I can see a benefit for ill pigs, too.

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Post   » Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:40 pm

I would be concerned the pigs won't like it.

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Post   » Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:01 pm

The answer to this is probably REALLY obvious, but what's the difference between this and, say, feeding them Critical Care once and a while on an otherwise almost pellet-free diet? Is there too much protein/calcium/hay in CC?

Other than that, I LOVE the idea - I would jump right on that. I think that palatability might be an issue, but if you can get past that, I think it would be terrific.

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Post   » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:54 pm

Seems you could just as easily use molasses as flavoring, same as with the pellets-?

Or whatever they flavor Metacam with! I've never had a guinea pig (or hamster) who didn't like the taste of Metacam.

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Post   » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:27 pm

I've been wanting to put my girls on a HAFF diet for a long time but am always afraid they won't get what they need from their pellets. This idea sounds great and I am very interested in it.

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Post   » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:40 pm

I would love to try something of that nature. Could it be manufactured so that the shelf life would be reasonable, since you would feed in small quantity? (I know you wouldn't be buying a 5 lb sack, but rumor says the Vit C in pellets is quite unstable, for instance.)

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Post   » Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:36 am

Agree, sef, every animal in the house I've given it to always loved it.

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