Malocclusion Experiences and Links To Gp Illnesses

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Post   » Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:28 pm

My Hershey girl (history above) was diagnosed yesterday with probable IBD (irritable bowel) or colon cancer. The only way to find out for sure is with a colonoscopy and since the treatment would be the same for both (prednisone and supportive care), it doesn't really make any sense to take the risk and put her through that. The prognosis for one over the other, of course is different, but I'll love her until the end whether that end is close or not. Her symptom was bleeding from the rectum.

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Post   » Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:19 pm

We recently lost two pigs to jaw problems leading to malocclusion, a mom and daughter. Lost the daughter because we didn't catch it in time (PLEASE weigh your pigs weekly. At least.) After that we monitored the mom very closely. She began to need tooth trims with increasing frequency. We then used Pinta's chin-sling which seemed to slow the frequency of the trims, but not by much. She ate less and less on her own, until we were feeding her a couple of hours a day. We didn't massage her jaw (also highly recommended by Pinta) but not sure that would have made enough difference. We put her down when it was clear we were not reversing the progress of her disease. There was no evidence of heart problems.


Post   » Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:32 pm

When our Piggy first started having 'maloclusion' issues, the vet said he had scurvy, which in turn caused the teeth to loosen and maloclude, however, he has always been on a high C diet and we just couldn't believe it. It took us about four weeks of hand feeding and we were afraid he would die when we went to a specialist who did a full range of xrays, found nothing and prescribed Prednisone for possible pain from inflamation. It took about three days and Piggy was back in action. Unfortunately, we have been back over and over for his inability to eat (more molars needed filing, he went back on prednisone for a spell). Curiously he developed two abscesses back to back the first occurred about one month after his first major filing. The first required surgery (it was streptococcal infection and did not respond to meds-bad stuff), the second was a bacteria the vet 'had never heard of' and baytril finally took care of it. In May after the second abcess, Piggy lost a bottom incisor which never grew back and just two days ago lost the other bottom incisor. He's able to eat well if we cut up his veggies into slivers and is gaining weight, but I still don't know what was the underlying cause of this whole nightmare he's endured.

To those who are feeling your pig will never bounce back, don't give up hope. Our Piggy is one resilient little guy and we call him the million dollar pig after all the vet bills we've paid. :) But we are so grateful he is alive and doing well. Try mixing water with pellets and a teaspoon or two of sweet potato baby food if your pig is having trouble eating. They love it.

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Post   » Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:03 pm

I live in Croatia, so I cant write english very well. I hope you will be able to understand my problem.
My guinea pig is 6 years old. Last few days he lost weight drastically, and he couldnt eat.
He wanted to, but it seemed he couldt. I suspected his teeth were owergrown, so I took him to vet.

Vet examined his teeth – both incistors and molars.
Incistors were a little owergrown, but molars were OK.

Vet trimmed his front teeth (lower), but now he doesnt eat at all!
I feed him myself with a little pieces of apple, banana... etc. I also make him an apple juice.
He also avoids drinking water so Im giving him water with syringe.

He still wants to eat, but now it seemes he cant bite properly with front teeth.
I put him a piece of apple on a tongue, and then he eats it.
He chews normally, so molars seems to be OK.

Is it normal that he cant eat, since his incistors were trimmed yesterday? When can I expect him to start eat normally? Vet told me he needs some time to adjust.
Has any of you had a similar problem?

Please, give me some advice, becouse Im desperate!

Thank you!

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Post   » Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:46 pm

Cherry Vanilla,

1) I think you should start a new topic on this, I do not think many people will check here. (I found this because I am researching post operative care for when my guinea pig has his teeth trimmed.) I just want as many people as possible to see your post.

2) When my guinea pig broke his incisors, he could not pick up food either for a 2-3 days. I had to place the food into his mouth for him. His teeth soon grew back enough were he could eat again. It was scary!

3) I also chopped up his fruit and vegtables into very small pieces and my guinea pig was able to get those into his mouth by himself and eat.

4) I also tried rolling lettuce leaves into "cigarettes" and he took those into his mouth. I could feed him hay one piece at a time too.

But please consider starting a new topic for yourself to get help for your pig and you.

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Post   » Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:41 pm

Looks like you started a new topic.

I copied my reply over to that post.

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Post   » Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:51 pm

No, he doesnt get too much fruit usually. Im feeding him fruit now, becouse I want him to eat. I think that incisors were the problem, becouse now he chews normally. Before vet trimmet his incisors, he didnt chew normally, and he didnt eat normally.
The only problem now is biting with front teeth.
What kind of food should I feed him now? He needs something to get energy from.

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Post   » Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:55 pm

I took my reply to your thread. You can respond there.


Post   » Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:48 am

My Little Guinea pig Beanie is 14 months old (short haired)

Had malocclusion at 12 months old. Took to vet who treated him (It didn't work) Took 8 weeks to find exotic vet who was very good. He did proceedure on molars, said that they were overgrown over his tongue. He is eating now an has been O.K for 3 weeks.

He had a small bladder stone at 6 months old that seems to have gon. He mused have passed it.

So far, so good.

Cherry Vanilla

Post   » Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:46 pm

This is probably genetics, since he is only 14 months old.
My guinea pig is 6 years old, and last few weeks my boyfrieds mother took care of him, since we were on vacation. She didnt fed him properly, and that is why his front teeth overgrown.

He already started to eat by himself. I still need to hand feed him, becouse he still cant eat normally, he needs to sharp his incisors.
But he is much better now. His molars are fine - he insists on hard food, but he cant bite off a small piece. He puts a very big piece in his mouth, but he still manages to chew him with molars.
Today he managed to bite off a few pieces of vitamine (i dont know if you have those vitamins. They look like a little cookie.)

So, if molars were overgrown, I suppose he couldnt chew hard food, especially big pieces of pellets.
And, he insists on hard food.

I looked inside his mouth (I opened his jaw with fingers), and his tongue was free. I couldnt even see his molars.
And a vet looked at his molars with special tool, and she said they are not overgrown.


Post   » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:10 pm

1, Smudge, 3-4 years, shorthaired white with grey smudges(hence name!)
2, First needed treatment 15/10/2007, then 03/01/2008.
3, Prior to Malocclusion visited vets for URI'S, bumblefoot, & crusty eye among other things.
He was also hooting, lethargic, slept so soundly with eyes shut that I could pick him up before he awoke, I wasn't aware of importance at the time.
I became aware of teeth problems with Guineas after losing my beloved Rocky, none of the books I'd read warned of signs to look out for. Discovered this site, saved my Smudges life as now knew what to look for.
After last op for teeth he very nearly didn't make it as so poorly (from anaesthetic?)had to nurse him for 3 weeks. I had a discussion with vet prior to op and thankfully came home with Fortekor on dose recommended by Pinta. (Vet very impressed with this site, going to check it out at home).
Smudge is improving, more alert and finally eating on his own but, unless I feed him 2/3 times a day loses weight and still not that active.
Going to speak to vet about possible Thyroid problem, also his crusty eye has suddenly got much worse.
4, Only time will tell if heart treatment delays Malocclusion.
As a newbie I'd appreciate any advice I can get.
Interestingly my Rabbit seems to have similar problems I'm going to talk with my vet about that too.
Thanks for your patience.


Post   » Thu Jan 17, 2008 1:18 am

Ask your vet about adding Vetmedin to the heart meds and possibly Lasix. You can do a search here on Vetmedin.


Post   » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:46 pm

Thank you for your suggestion, unfortunately its too late. Smudge has kidney failure and won't be here for much longer. Sadly my lovely rabbit Bouncer will be joining him too.Just keeping them comfortable and pain free. I such miss both of them so much.


Post   » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:57 pm

Hydration subcues can go a long way towards making Smudge more comfortable. Do a search on Dom(Dominic) in this forum for more info in managing kidney disease. There is an over the counter "med" that is very helpful but I can't remember the name(something similar sounding to 'aquagel').

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Post   » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:31 am

1) Bing / Peruvian, Teddy mix / three years
2) Three years when he was diagnosed with malocclusion. X-rays showed skull much denser on one side than the other and something that looked like fluid in one ear, but vet could not visually confirm that. His molars were overgrown on one side only.
3) Rapid weight loss, no other illness diagnosed before surgery. Blood test results came back post mortem abnormal liver enzymes and electrolyte levels. Vet thinks he had kidney and or liver failure.
4) Had his teeth trimmed only once, kept loosing weight in spite of aggressive hand feeding. He was taking Bactrim, Metacam and sub-Qs. Developed pneumonia like symptoms lungs sounded very congested when I listened with my stethoscope. Bing died four days after his tooth trim and three days before his third birthday.


Post   » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:34 pm

Mixed news,
Smudge decided he didn't want to 'go'! and with syringe feeding home made rehydrate fluid he suddenly got up and ate some nice juicy grass,bit of tomato,pieces of cucumber and even a chew of carrot on Sunday. I am so impressed with this little guy.
Thank you for your advice Pinta ,I really appreciate it. I will talk it over with my vet tomorrow and get her to show me how to do sub-cues I know the theory just haven't had any practical experience.
To-day when I took him to vet she kept him in for rehydration fluids and to check his teeth aren't contributing to his not eating or drinking. Although he started nibbling on his favourite foods he still is not drinking.
Vet phoned to say 1 kidney is very much enlarged, may possibly be a renal tumour. :(
He's such a fighter I want to help him all I can but when do you decide it time to stop? I don't want him or my rabbit to suffer just because I'm too selfish to let either of them 'go'.
I'm so fortunate that my vets are very considerate regarding payment, paid £34 last week, today I paid £30 off bill so far, got another £67 to pay plus whatever costs are looming!!
My rabbit Bouncer is also at the vets, he's in a terrible state, his front is soaked from his drooling and he's not eating or drinking either. The vet has found his tongue is very swollen but they can't find any reason for it, his teeth are fine except he's lost his bottom incisors. Liz (my vet) says it might be a tumour too:(
It has been an awful weekend and the start of this week seems it 's going to get worse.


Post   » Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:56 am

Yep, I was right the week is getting worse.
I was hopeful last night there was still more I could do for both Smudge (GP) and Bouncer (rabbit) but just had call from vet to say Smudge's kidney tumour so big he won't last for much longer will be kinder to pts as he's suffering.
Bouncers even worse (?), vet is sure his swollen tongue is something to do with his teeth, but they have no idea what it could be and he's just too weak for them to sedate him enough to see if there is anything they can find to explain it. In fact he is so poorly they won't let me bring him home as it would be too stressful and painful to move him much.
They were so good together,they shared some floor space where Smudge could get out of the way if he wanted to. I'd just adopted 2 young boars who were beginning to bond with both of them, the youngsters miss them a lot.
I suppose I should be grateful I shared time and love and kisses for 3 and a half years with Smudge, 2 with Bouncer. They were both rescues and I'm glad I was able to make up to them a bit for their rough start in life. But, boy how hard it is to have to make that final decision, and say that last goodbye.

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Post   » Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:50 am

I'm so sorry, Piggiesjoy.


Post   » Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:52 am

Thank you Lynx.
I just wish I'd known about malocclusion problems before, I'm sure their deaths could have been prevented/delayed.
With my rabbit I could feel the jagged edges of his back teeth (after his death) and where they'd dug into his tongue causing it to swell so much he could barely breathe, his face and neck were also swollen. He was in an awful state, I hope I never ever see another animal in such pain and distress.
The mistake I made was in assuming the vet who booked him in to do his teeth, was actually the vet who was going to do it. I found out when we picked him up that it was a different vet who isn't very GP or rabbit savy. I am intending to speak to my rabbit/GP savy vet to explain what I felt in my rabbits mouth and that I feel the other vet was responsible for Bouncer's death in a most horrible way.
This has taught me that it is most important to check exactly which vet will be doing any future treatment on any of my pets, but especially my remaining GP'S.
What concerns me now is , Is there any way to actually stop malocclusion in the first place? My vet says that correct diet is vital in the first 8 weeks for small animals dental health. So is it possible to spot and correct problems before a visit to the vet is needed, through use of a chin-sling perhaps? Or are rescues/adopters etc doomed to teeth problems if they weren't fed correctly when babies? I'd appreciate any advice or thoughts anyone has.

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Post   » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:24 am

I think some of your questions will be answered if you reread the malocclusion page.


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