Henry- Lice treatment

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Feylin

Post   » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:21 pm


Henry is may latest addition to the herd (I swear, we are stopping at 3!). He came from a friend who's daughter developed allergies. They were total cavy slaves and took great care of Henry and his female friend (divided cage) but the daughter had to get an inhaler so Henry came to live with us. He fit right in with us.

Henry is about 1 year old and I think Mum told me he was a Peruvian mix (?) He has long hair, but there's a definate crest on his head.

Henry went to the vet last Friday to be checked out while Fred and CJ got their 2nd Ivermectin shot for mites. Henry got a shot too. The vet noticed that he has some white bits in his fur that she suspects are lice eggs. Henry does itch more than the other two.

The vet (who is cavy savvy) gave me a product called Ovitrol Insect Towelettes. The active ingredients are: Pyrethrins, Piperonyl butoxide, N-Octyl bicyycloheptene dicarboximide. The directions say to apply the towelette lightly to affected area and repeat 2/3 weeks as required. The box says it's safe for cats, dogs, horses, ponies, ferrets, rabbits, hamsters, gerbils, and guinea pigs.

I read all the pages on lice and i didn't see anything about this product. The vet has been fantastic in all other respects and even told me she consults Guinea Lynx, but I'm wary and wanted to ask you experts. If I shouldn't use this, can I use Ivermectin Horse paste? They are already getting the shots of Ivermectin....shouldn't that have dealt with the lice? I'm rather confused here.

Thanks!

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rshevin

Post   » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:17 pm


Pyrethrins are supposed to be bad news for all animals, including dogs, cats, and guinea pigs do I don't know what's up with that product insert. I think it may still be approved, but that's what's in those nasty OTC flea remedies. Until you hear otherwise, I would NOT use it. Topical ivermectin (which you can buy and dose yourself) will be effective on lice as will Advantage, which you can buy at many pet stores and online.

Tracis
Let Sleeping Pigs Lie

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sus4rabbitsnpigs

Post   » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:48 pm


Don't use it. Likely doesn't even work. Get Advantage or Revolution, or topical ivermec.

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Feylin

Post   » Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:11 pm


great! Thanks! I'll print this out to take to the vet.

Can I use my ivermectin horse paste then?

klynne

Post   » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:08 pm


"told me he was a Peruvian mix (?) He has long hair, but there's a definate crest on his head"

If that's his only swirly, and he has long straight hair, then he is most likely a Coronet.

Not sure how effective your oral horse paste would be on lice. It would help with any internal parasites, for sure.

I'd probably go with Revolution, myself. Or else add Advantage to the ivermectin protocol you're already doing.

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Feylin

Post   » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:43 pm


I thought you could use the paste topicaly (after you re-mixed it to get the correct dose) on the pigs for lice and mites??
I read the pages but I'm asking because there's so much info between there and other threads I've read here and I want to be sure I'm doing it right. Particularly since the vet is now proven to be wrong.

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rshevin

Post   » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:44 pm


No, paste is oral only. It is somewhat confusing. Here's a chart.

Injectable: injection, topical, oral
Pour-on: topical only
Horse paste: oral only

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Lynx
RESIST

Post   » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:13 pm


Ditto, rshevin. We don't recommend using the paste topically. I don't know how well it would work because it's mixed in with other things. You can give it orally though.

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Feylin

Post   » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:34 pm


Ah, ok then, I get it. I think I'll just return my paste and my no-good towelettes and get Advantage.

Thanks so much for clearing this up for me!

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rshevin

Post   » Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:01 pm


No wait! The Advantage will treat for the lice, but will do nothing for the mites. She could very likely have both. Revolution will treat for both but is very expensive.

klynne

Post   » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:01 am


"Revolution will treat for both but is very expensive."

I don't find it terribly expensive. Especially since you aren't buying multiple products--that adds up.

www.petshed.com

Kitten dose.

klynne

Post   » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:06 am


http://www.petshed.com/products/item107.asp

There's the kitten product--27 bucks will last you thru as many tx's as you'd need, and you may find others to split cost with.

I finally found the Advantage on there, too. For a while, it looked like they were carrying only Advantage Multi now, which has an extra ingredient and is not safe for pigs.

Advantage, 38 bucks:

http://www.petshed.com/products/item3622.asp

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Feylin

Post   » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:47 am


We are already going to the vet to get Ivermectin shots for all 3 guys. Fred and CJ will get their 3rd shot this Friday. Henry is the new guy and he will get his 2nd shot this Friday. The vet saw what she suspects are lice eggs and this is why I'm asking questions about LICE treatments.

The mites are already being treated. :)

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Lynx
RESIST

Post   » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:50 am


Ivermectin given by injection is sometimes not as effective on lice. They are biting insects instead of sucking insects so topical ivermectin seems to work better.

If you see a recurrence, try topical ivermectin, Revolution, or Advantage.

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Feylin

Post   » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:09 am


Ok, I'm gong to continue with the Ivermectin shots for the mites. I will ask for Advantage for the Lice on Henry.

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rshevin

Post   » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:23 am


Ah, ok I think we're all on the same page now. :-) I hope Henry feels better soon.

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Feylin

Post   » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:55 am


I know! This conversation was starting to make me doubt my own brain. heh.

Henry is mostly just an itchy boy. He coos at me now when I brush his long hair because it feels good!

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Feylin

Post   » Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:34 pm


The vet did not think there was anything wrong with the towelettes she gave me. She said that Advantage was fine too, but it was $38 opposed to the $16 of the pyrethrin towelettes. I suspect you get what you pay for. I tried to explain, but she was reluctant since she says her patients have used it more times than she can count with no problems. I think if I gave her a scientific paper about the drawbacks of it, she'd change her mind. She's very very good vet and I really trust her opinion on most things so far. I didn't want to give up, so I tried to explain Guinea Lynx and how I found my information.

She's had multiple patients come in with "advice" from another forum (I won't mention it)- even one lady who's piggy died from her insisting penicilin from another vet. My vet gave me quite a stern lecture about trusting people on the internet whom I have no way of knowing if they are qualified to give advice. I agreed this was true in general, but that 99% of the advice here meshes with her advice. I showed her guinea lynx page on Lice and it was kind of hilarious watching her eyebrows climb upwards as she kept reading. She told me that if her patients had been getting advice from GL, she would have had to deal with about 15 fewer guinea pig dealths since she started. :(

She's going to refer people here. Plus, she decided to research the Pyrethrins issue further in her professional journals. (Personally, that's what I'd do in most situations.) I told her that anything she finds would probably be welcome here. Not sure if she'll register as she doesn't seem to be that into forums as a whole. Anyways. It's nice to know that she's open to new information and I can see how she was turned off from forum advice.

So, now I have kitten advantage. The box is orange and has 4 .4ml tubes of imidacloprid for cats and kittens 8weeks and 9lbs and under. It says it's only for fleas. I'm going to re-read the page on this stuff since I know I have to mix it.

Generally: Am I right in estimating that a pig gets a drop behind each ear? And that I should treat ALL the pigs? And I repeat it in 1 month?

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Mum
I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:05 pm


You have to dose accurately - be sure to read this page:

http://www.guinealynx.info/lice.html

For a 2lb pig you'll give 0.2ccs.

Yes, treat all the pigs.

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