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Post   » Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:38 am

Oh, no, I am so sorry. You really did work so hard and do all the right things. With Alice (a pregnant baby sow) I learned that sometimes single pups are just too hard for the mother and baby. There was nothing more you could have done besides hold her and show her that she was safe and loved now.

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Post   » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:47 am

How very frustrating. Sometimes no matter how hard we fight for these little ones it's out of our hands. I'm so sorry. You did all you humanly could and they went safe. Rest well Mia and baby. You will always be together now.

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I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:49 am

Oh no - you must be heartbroken.

I'm so very, very sorry.

Let Sleeping Pigs Lie

Post   » Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:59 am

I'm very sorry. So tragic.

Pretty Mia knew how hard you were trying to save her and her little one. She was loved.

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Post   » Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:20 am

I'm so sorry STF. You did everything you could to help save them, but sometimes sadly that's just not enough. I'm glad you were able to be with Mia and help her over the bridge to be reunited with her baby so she that she knew love and comfort.

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Post   » Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:15 pm

Oh, I'm so sorry. You did everything you should have done.

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Post   » Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:27 pm

Mia got the joy of being loved and cherished by you, which was obviously more than her former owner. You did everything possible to give both of them a chance. I'm so sorry.

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one pig at a time.

Post   » Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:34 pm

STF, I just read this and I wanted to say how incredably sorry I am. Please know I am here for you if you need me for anything. Keep your chin up my friend, you are doing a great thing for these pigs and they are so lucky to have you. Mia wanted to be with her baby and she died in the arms of someone who loved her. Please find peace in knowing that.

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Post   » Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:38 pm

Ohh, I'm so sorry. I hope you're okay.

4 the Good of all Pigs

Post   » Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:11 pm

Thank you all. I've been going back and forth all day about what if this or what if that. I looked again at the amount of blood on the towel that prompted this whole nightmare and realized I would do the same thing over again.

I suppose not all endings get to be happy ones, despite our efforts. I hate the people that did this to her. I hate backyard breeders and stupid people that put intact opposite sexes together.

I must now focus my attentions to my other nine (who have not had a proper cage cleaning in over a day) and especially Nala, who is still pregnant because of the same stupid people. Pray her story ends much differently than poor Mia.

I will bury her and baby in my garden. These are the first pigs ever to be buried in my yard. All others have been donated to further our knowledge of guinea pigs. Mia has suffered enough indignities and deserves a proper burial with her baby.

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Post   » Sat Jul 19, 2008 4:22 pm

Hugs to you StF and I agree with your feeling about the previous owners. I wish there were some way to keep calous unfeeling people from ever being anywhere near an animal.

Rest well little innocents.

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Post   » Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:09 pm

This is in largest part my responsibility.

I am usually the one to tell everyone not to do the what-ifs, if-onlys, woulda-shoulda-coulda, but Mia went to the vets she went to at my direction. This is not the clinic of the "main Atlanta vet" we mostly all use. That vet (the lovely and talented Dr. A.) does not have ultrasound in her office, and this one does. I originally took Mia there to have her lumps ultrasounded, and that is when her baby was found.

The vet that looked at her there a week or so ago, ultrasounded her and found her baby is an exotics specialist, and one I trust. She has good surgical skills but not tons and tons of tricky-surgery experience. Yesterday was not her surgery day, although she was there. The vet that actually did the surgery is also a good surgeon, knows a little about exotics and likes them, and is co-owner of the practice, but she is not a trained exotics specialist. She freely admitted this was her first guinea pig C-section.

To me there is a possibility the lumps StF and I originally found were not fatty lipomas at all (they were never aspirated or biopsied). I wonder now if she did not have something aggressively malignant draining her body along with her baby.

Thank you all, so much, for your thoughts, well-wishes, and care. StF, perhaps I should have asked you to take her to Dr. A. all along. I can only say I'm sorry to Mia, her pup, you, and Terry too if Dr. A. should have handled this all along.

Godspeed and safe passage to both of you. You will always be loved and never forgotten.

StF's house is almost due east of ours. We put some lights in our kitchen window, which faces east. I would like to think they will help guide them both home.

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Post   » Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:18 pm

Talishan, please don't beat yourself up. I suspect you're correct and there was something else going on with Mia that affected both her and her baby. The best surgeon in the world might not have had a different outcome.

Little Mia was used and abused by her previous owner, not by you or StF. You both did ONLY what you thought was best.

The idea of the lighted window is a great one. I'm sure if Mia was capable she'd say thanks for what you both tried to do.

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Post   » Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:44 pm

Also, do'nt forget that the vet who did the C section now DOES have experience in tricky surgeries. Mia and baby taught that vet some very valuable stuff- there's no way to know how many lives the vet can now go on to help and save.

You and STF did the very best you could and Mia is relaxing and happy with her pup and her friends now.

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Post   » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:58 pm

C-sections are tricky -- partly because when they are done, it is often an emergency situation and damage has already been done (time is critical).

Even excellent vets can lose a guinea pig. I am so sorry she and her pup did not make it but know your actions gave her a chance at life she would not have had.

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Post   » Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:48 pm

I'm so sorry for the loss of Mia and her pup. Thanks to both of you, Talishan and StF, she had fighting chance and found love and comfort.


Post   » Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:42 am

I've just now read this thread from start to finish.

I am so sorry for the loss you have had to deal with StF and T. I'll chime in with everyone else and just say how happy I am to know this pig and her baby died in the care of someone who truly appreciated them and gave them comfort, rather than the awful cage and conditions they were in when you first accepted them into your care.

Thank you both, for reaching out to these pigs and doing what you have done even knowing the heartache that you could be facing from the get-go.

4 the Good of all Pigs

Post   » Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:26 pm

Feylin, those are wise words.

Talishan, do not take any blame for any of this. We both did our best and what we thought was right. So did the vets. The blame lies with the idiots that let her get pregnant in the first place.

Terry and I picked a nice shady spot underneath the Butterfly Bush for Mia and Snowy. They were wrapped together in a towel. The bunny I received from my SSSS, dgarriques, is watching over them and making sure they have an unending supply of lettuce and carrots. Maybe they can sneak some to McMac too!

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Post   » Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:51 pm

Wow I totally missed this whole thing! I am so sorry about all this STF! You did so well taking care of them.

Talishan, don't you dare beat yourself up about this or I'll have to play the message you left for me after Sammie died to you!

Let Sleeping Pigs Lie

Post   » Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:17 pm

That is such a beautiful spot, StF. Very peaceful.

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