At any rate, I've been over all the handfeeding threads for orphans and just can't find an actual amount that he should be fed. I did look at the handfeeding link, and am now hopelessly confused by the gram/oz conversion. It's late at night.
I advised her to feed 2-3ml of CC and 2-3ml of pedialyte every 3-4 hours. It's just a guess. Anyone differ/agree?
Formula, as in milk substitute, is not a good idea. They are designed for puips and kittens and the protein/fat/etc ratio is not the same as for pigs. NutiCal (if I'm thinking of the right stuff) is designed for birds and does not qualify as a balanced diet for pigs. Critical Care is the best and that's what this girl is using, if you look at the title. It's designed especially for herbivores. Pedialyte is for added electrolytes.
I have no idea what to tell you, as I've never had to handfeed such a small pig. However, your suggestion makes sense to me and I'd go with that, too.
Keep us posted, ok?
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Do you know why Mom is not feeding? Is she feeding other siblings? If Mom is healthy and feeding others, this might be short term until Mom thinks the baby will live.
I've never been able to save a baby that a healthy Mom would not feed, so good luck. The babies I've saved have all been healthy but lost the Mom, or Mom was too sick to nurse any of them.
Make sure and remind her about wiping with a warm cloth to get the baby to urinate and defecate.
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Hard to say why the mom isn't feeding. She belongs to a woman that the volunteer knows. This sow was backbred and is likely very stressed out. She keeps kicking the baby away, and after about 24 hours, Sonny decided to try to save him.
I'll post any updates.
We are feeding a couple of orphans currently - mum died in animal control when they were around 6 days, at that point 1 weighed 45g and the other 70g. We are using a high fat formula from www.foxvalleynutrition.com , it is formulated for rabbits. The company can overnight it.
We also buy the catac nipples (small) from there + the probiotic which we add 1/4 teaspoon to the formula.
I am not at home so can not get to the recommended serving, anyone with Disease of the Domestic Guinea Pig should have access to that under 'orphans'
Guinea pig pups are quite mature compared to rabbits. They can make it where rabbits may not, and adjust well to a more complex diet similar to a grown cavy's.
I believe everything Josephine says. Almost.
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Bea lost weight initially too, but when she started to gain it was pretty steady especially after 100 grams.
None of the pigs I hand fed would take the CC. Stinkers! They did LOVE the baby oatmeal and the squash with a splash of the "milk" mixture or some carrot juice.
Also, I gave Bea as much as she would take. After her feedings, her little tummy felt like a super ball. She would also ATTACK the syring and become very unhappy when I need to refill. She had spunk. Still does!
Good luck. I am pulling for all of you.
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Here are some pics of the Nutrical -- Nutri-cal -- Nutri Cal (put these in for search purposes) that I have.
As I said before, it is loaded with fat soluble vitamins and it would be much too easy to cause problems from an overdose of these vitamins than it would be using a product like Critical Care. It is also loaded with fat (34.5%). Read over the hand feeding information, if you need it, here:
Pic of Front of box -- Also says for veterinary use only.
Pic of Complete ingredients list
Pic of Complete list of vitamins -- gives amount of vitamins/minerals and fat per 6 grams.
The ingredients from this list:
Guaranteed analysis per teaspoon (6 grams)
- Crude Protein -- 0.7%
- Crude Fat -- 34.5%
- Crude fiber -- 3.8%
- Moisture -- 14%
- Calcium -- 0.16-0.20 mg
- Phosphorus -- 0.03 mg
- Iron 0.53mg
- Iodine -- 0.53%
- Magnesium -- 0.42 mg
- Manganese -- 1 mg
- Potassium -- 0.16mg
- Vitamin A -- 1045 IU
- Vitamin D3 -- 60 IU
- Vitamin E -- 6 IU
- Vitamin B1 (Thiamine) -- 1.8 mg
- Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin) -- 0.2 mg
- Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine -- ) 0.8 mg
- Vitamin B12 -- 2 mcg
- Folic Acid -- 0.2 mg
- Nicotinamide -- 2 mg
- d-Pantothenic Acid -- 1 mg
7.4 cc/ 1 1/2 teaspoon
Corn Syrup, Soybean Oil, Malt Syrup, Cod Liver Oil, Cane Molasses, Methylcellulose, Water, Gelatin ByProducts, dl-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate (Vit. E), Sodiium Benzoate (Preservative), Manganese Sulfate, Iron Peptonate, Thiamine HCl, Nicotinamide, Calcium Pantotheante (Source of Calcium and Pantothenic Acid), Magnesium Sulfate, Pyridoxine HCl, Vitamin A Palmitate, Potassium Iodide (Source of Iodine and Potassium), Riboflavin 5' Phosphate Sodium (Source of Vit. B2 and Phosphorus), Vitamin A Palmitate & D3 Concentrate, Folic Acid and Cyanocobalamin (Vit. B12).
USES: To provbide supplemental caloric and nutritional intake in dogs and cats. Provides an added source of energy for hunting and working dogs. When the animal's caloric or nutritional intake is to be supplemented, give 1 1/2 teaspoons per 10 pounds of body weight daily. When animal is not consuming full feed ration, give 3 teaspoons (1 tablespoon) per 10 pounds of body weight daily. Calorie content 4420 kcal/kg (26.5 kcal/6g).
This would indicate a dose of between 1/2 teaspoon and 1 teaspoon per kilo pig. A quick look at google and vitamin A IU and "nutrient requirements" turns up some guidelines for dogs/cats/swine/horses/rabbits significantly lower than the 1045 IU provided by a standard dose of this product.
As I said, they would already be receiving many of these vitamins and minerals from a hand fed diet so this would be over and above what was needed, perhaps overdosing the animal. The Critical Care should have everything you need. Harkness and Wagner include a case study on scurvy that was treated with a multivitamin instead of plain C. The guinea pig did not get better and had new problems resulting from an overdose of fat soluble vitamins like A and D which build up in the body.