Purdie - Blindness?

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MuffinFace

Post   » Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:32 pm


I have a question. If the dx is IC, why the long course of abs? This seems to be (almost) standard protocol with suspected IC pigs, but since IC doesn't have anything to do with bacteria, I'm wondering why we risk messing up their guts for extended periods of time if the cause isn't, ultimately, bacterial. Is it to rule out the possibility of a stubborn UTI? Do abs actually do something to help reduce the bladder wall thickening? Am I missing something and the cause of IC really IS bacterial in origin?

I'm only asking because I'm about to go through this whole rigamarole with Astro. :( She's so tiny, I don't want to do ANYthing that could compromise her eating habits, but her overall health obviously comes first.

Sorry for the minor hijack. I'm just super curious, and this is the major IC thread going right now. Booooooo on IC.

Talishan
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Post   » Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:01 pm


This is an extremely good question.

My gut guess is that ruling out a stubborn UTI may be part of it, but I also suspect that vets give AB's (albeit safe ones) when they don't know what else to do.

I'd love to hear from some of our real med pros on this question.

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Trick

Post   » Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:54 pm


For Purdie it is to make sure that it is not a stubborn UTI, as I believe there are some infections that can take at least a couple of weeks to shift. Purdie had been on Baytril twice and Bactrim once already but both for only 10 days which wouldn't have been long enough. This time she is to be on the Bactrim for 3 weeks.

If after that (or regardless of that) she continues to struggle then it will no longer just be suspected IC :/

I think the vet also wants to monitor her properly after the two weeks to compare with the results at the first visit, as it was a different vet practise we went to for the previous treatments.

I'm still working my way through all those IC threads but I think some pigs have received pulse AB therapy which has helped?

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MuffinFace

Post   » Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:24 pm


I think the pulse AB therapy might be a bit of a placebo - given the fact that IC itself comes and goes within days, who's to tell if the AB therapy actually helped?

I think the stubborn UTI thing is a good thing to rule out at the onset of piddle problems - but after that, I dunno. I, too, haven't actually digested all of the IC threads (though I've read all of them - and then my eyeballs nearly fell out). It just seems like given what IC actually is, the only thing you can really do is to manage the pain and make sure the pig in question is getting plenty of fluids. Maybe polycitra to help prevent stones later? Anyway, be sure to keep us updated on how Purdie does with the longer course of ABs - best wishes for her. Astro sends her empathy. :-/

EDIT: Talishan, I thought you WERE one of our medical experts! :D

Talishan
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Post   » Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:34 pm


I have you fooled. ;-)

I know a little bit about what I've directly had to work with, but I haven't had an IC case ... yet, anyway.

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:58 pm


I thought so too, MuffinFace!

Talishan always gives good advice. It is clear how to take it - that it is advice, experience, and possible directions to pursue. A good vet is always vital to any treatment and is your best resource.

p.s. I LOVE your links posts, Tracis!
Did want you to know that putting a BOLD tag in front of the list throws off the alignment in Opera. I've been moving the [ b ] to follow each *.

Tracis
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Post   » Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:01 pm


Thanks, Lynx! I had no idea about the bold tags. I will remember. :)

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Sep 01, 2008 10:28 pm


I always put them right next to the words I want to be bolded. It's the most direct and nothing seems to be messed up. When the tags start before the [ list ] tag or [ * ] tag, things do seem to be thrown off.

I really like how you are adding a sentence to summarize the post. It gives people an idea of what the content is without reading the whole thing - but they can read the whole thing if they want too.

We just have so much info here it is overwhelming.

Talishan
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Post   » Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:05 pm


And Tracis is doing a d@mn good job of organizing it, too. ;-)

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MuffinFace

Post   » Tue Sep 02, 2008 12:11 pm


No kidding. Her ability to dig up relevant info is mind-boggling. And I thought *I* was good at using search features! I can find nearly anything on Google, but bringing up specific threads here on GL always leaves me stumped. Thank goodness for tracis. :)

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Trick

Post   » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:46 pm


It's about a week in now I think and Purdie is still crying when she pees. Not all the time, but that is the same as before. She isn't crying as much so the Rimadyl seems to be having some pain relief effect but not as much as I had hoped.

Her follow up is next week, but I'm definitely worried that the pain relief doesn't seem to be strong enough, especially as she is on the correct dose for her weight.

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:53 pm


No advice here just fingers crossed for Purdie.

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Trick

Post   » Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:09 pm


Thanks Bugs Mom :) I know we are working on getting her sorted, but it's so hard to see her cry even a little when she pees. She's being such a good girl at taking her meds as well, I just wish I could tell her we were trying to make her better.

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Yuugi

Post   » Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:36 am


Here's how it happens with my Momo: She seems to have 2-3 days off where she cries when she pees, and when i pick her up i notice her vagina is wet and there's alot of calcium deposits.
I give her extra fluids that day and some metacam and she seems to do fine for the rest of the day.

Then on the second or third day she becomes totally fine, no crying at all and no wet bottom. Then after 3 weeks or so it repeats itself again.

Have you tried increasing fluids with Purdie? I do hope she finds some confort soon.

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Trick

Post   » Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:39 am


I'm giving Purdie extra fluids via syringe, and we also have a couple of water bottles dedicated to cranberry water now which seems to increase fluid intake of everyone.

With Purdie, I'm having a hard time detecting a pattern. I think that if there is a pattern, it actually changes every few hours at most rather than being in days :/ There isn't a day goes past when she doesn't cry when she pees, but she doesn't cry every time she pees. Her bottom is dry and there are no white deposits.

She is definitely crying less now which is something at least :/

Talishan
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Post   » Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:35 pm


Without reading back, have you tried using Metacam? It may be more efficacious for Purdie. It varies by animal.

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Trick

Post   » Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:44 am


We haven't tried Metacam yet no, I think we will switch her on Thursday at her check up. I didn't hear her crying yesterday which was nice, but may well not mean very much.

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Trick

Post   » Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:02 pm


Apologies for my absence, I haven't had much online time lately.

Purdie was given Metacam to have at 0.2ml daily for the last two weeks. At first I noticed no improvement but now I think I can say that it is more effective than the Rimadyl was. However, it hasn't got rid of the pain completely by any means, she still cries every day :/

Our next appointment is tomorrow morning, I really hope we can get her some relief soon. I will ask about Polycitra and I'm going to look online as to where to get Shilintong.

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snowflakey
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Post   » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:25 pm


Poor Purdie!

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:42 pm


Fingers crossed you can get some good answers for Purdie.

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