Skinny Pig Data and T-4 count

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PinkRufus
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Post   » Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:27 am


Update/correction: Unlike the hairless dog, Skinnies need two copies of the hairless gene to be hairless, so that's not the cause of these problems. However, the hairless gene for Skinnies can remutate if not balanced with a wild-type/normal gene causing varying degrees of health problems and or short life span.

According to my vet genetic testing is not available to the public for guinea pigs.

fairysari
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Post   » Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:24 pm


I lost one of my skinnies, Tanuki, a few days ago.

I adopted him in May 2006, he was supposedly a year old at that point, but thats not confirmed. His colouring was tortie I guess, but he was mostly black.

Unsure of what happened exactly, I noticed late at night he was regurgitating food. He seemed to want to eat but he would chew it up and a few minutes later it would come out like vomit. Searched for what was happening on the forums here and it seemed like every pig who had those symptoms passed fairly soon and there were no real answers as to why. Anyway, of course I called the emergency vet but they didn't think they could help. His ordinary vet opens at 7:30am but he didn't make it. I didn't get a necropsy or anything done, so I don't know if this is helpful at all.

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PinkRufus
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Post   » Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:03 pm


Every entry on this thread is another piece of the puzzle and is helpful. Others who have had their Skinnies pass from mystery illnesses have had necropsies done with no findings. So don't feel bad about that.

fairysari, I'm so sorry you lost Tanuki.

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:27 pm


I'm so sorry.

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:35 pm


A necropsy might have told you a lot. My guinea pig that showed the same symptoms had an internal tumor that had spread.

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PinkRufus
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Post   » Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:22 pm


Pinta, I have a couple of questions regarding your Skinnies that had symptoms of hyperthyroidism. Did their skin darken? Did Tapazole help them?

Charybdis

Post   » Tue May 12, 2009 4:02 am


I was wondering where to post this information, for those interested....

Boots, our oldest and last Skinny, passed away a few days ago. He was over 6 years old. I had a gross necropsy done mostly out of curiosity since blood tests before he passed showed nothing besides slight inflammation, and he had become quite thin and weak -- he was ravenous, ate constantly, yet continued to lose weight.

The vet doing the necropsy said the adrenal glands were enlarged, kidneys were 'not smooth' and liver was slightly darker than normal. Heart and lungs were normal and there were no tumors or evidence of cancer/metastasis.

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mmercedesmom
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Post   » Sat May 23, 2009 6:43 pm


Foremole, Skinny boar
October 11, 2006 - May 22, 2009
Euthanized due to large bladder stone near urethra, preventing bladder from emptying. He was in terrible pain from the distended bladder and only being able to pass dribbles of urine.

It has been a difficult week in many ways, but yesterday was the worst. He is the first of my Skinnies to pass away, leaving his cagemate Mordred a bit freaked out.

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Sat May 23, 2009 6:55 pm


I'm so terribly sorry mmercedesmom. Rest well adorable little Foremole.

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sus4rabbitsnpigs

Post   » Sat May 23, 2009 10:29 pm


I'm sorry.

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Bytxlaura
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Post   » Sun May 24, 2009 2:00 am


I'm sorry :(

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mmercedesmom
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Post   » Sun May 24, 2009 1:51 pm


Thanks everyone, it still hardly seems real until I look in his cage and see just Mordred. He is very subdued too, and I plan to try intros with another boar today, wish us luck.

pinta

Post   » Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:49 pm


Brilla has Myxedema. This is literally jelly belly. Instead of fluids collecting on her belly it's fluid in the form of jelly. My vet has never seen anything like it but says it can happen in hypothyroid humans. But after observing Brilla constantly eating and bouncing around during the appointment, she agreed there was no way Brilla was hypothyroid.

I had arbitrarily doubled her hyperthyroid meds(Tapazole)a couple of weeks ago due to Brilla suddenly losing weight again. I called my vet to discuss but she was out of town. I figured we were going by the seat of our pants anyway in dosing so went for doubling.

The jelly belly appeared very suddenly and I took her in as soon as I saw it on Wednesday. I told my vet that I had doubled her meds and she said to go back to the regular dose, gave her some lasix and I gave her a subcue when I got home.

Her recheck was today. My vet is mystified. Still jelly belly. Brilla is active, eating and shows no signs of discomfort. She is eating a hell of a lot of clementine oranges(screams for me to get her some if they aren't in her basket) but my vet doesn't think that would cause the myxedema. Brilla gets private feeding sessions in the living room. She comes in and screams for her basket to be put down and she jumps in to eat. We shut the door to the kitchen to keep the other pigs out. When she's finished eating she screams for the kitchen door to be opened. This is the only way we can keep any weight on her.

Based on her nonstop eating and activity, my vet said to go back to doubled tapazole. We are monitoring.

pinta

Post   » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:45 pm


Brilla died March 12. She was born January 21 2007 so she barely made it past 3 years. She was active(running from kitchen to living room) and eating right up to the end.

Necropsy results were completely shot kidneys. End stage kidney disease was the cause of death. However, she showed none of the signs our other kidney pigs have shown. Closest was the edema but I asked at the time and my vet said it wasn't pitted(pitting?) edema which is what I have seen with at least one end stage kidney pig.

My vet thought she managed to get a thyroid gland for the lab(said she would have bet her diploma on it) but it turned out to be a salivary gland. The thyroid is already small but might have been smaller due to the tapazole.

Thru her later life she had been on daily metacam for back issues. My vet said her spine xray looked like a train wreck. With metacam she could straighten her back and run rather than hop while hunchbacked. Pain relief was necessary for her quality of life.

The big difference between Brilla and our other kidney pigs was her activity level. She never stopped moving(or eating). The weight loss was continual despite her appetite, leading us to suspect hyperthyroidism. Unfortunately, without the thyroid going to the lab, we can't confirm.

PinkRufus - I just saw your question(I guess I missed the thread alert).
Better late than never: No there was no skin darkening. Tapazole would help(weight stabilized but did not increase) but seemed to need increasing as time went on.
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GuineaPinny

Post   » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:48 pm


I'm so sorry pinta.

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PinkRufus
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Post   » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:16 pm


Pinta, I'm so sorry you lost Brilla. That is too bad that the thyroid wasn't sent in.

Thanks for the input about the Tapazole. I'm still researching for the Skinnies, so any information helps.

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PinkRufus
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Post   » Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:00 pm


Pinta, I wrote to the lab and asked them specifically about thyroid issues in hairless guinea pigs. I mentioned the cases that mimicked hyperthyroidism/thyroid storm. Their response was that they do not see this in their hairless guinea pigs. They suggested evaluation of tissues for pathology. And that it could be a consequence of inbreeding.

I wish I could have found out something more specific, but have been running into nothing but dead ends on this one.

pinta

Post   » Wed Feb 02, 2011 2:06 pm


It does seem that skinnies either last a max of 3.5 years and look 7 when they die or age like a normal pig. It is like there are 2 different breeds out there.

I'm fresh out of skinnies right now so it will probably be a very long wait before any more investigation (necropsy-wise) can be done on our end.

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LandosMomma

Post   » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:01 pm


Blind Mag: died 12/14/11

Pink skin/Red eyes

Age Approx: 2-5 years old

Back bred her entire life. Housed in wire bottomed cage. Rescued 2/2/11.

Medical history: Two vet visits for suspected cataracts. Diagnosed as congenital eye defects. Bumblefoot, once cleared, discovered a paw that had once broken and never healed correctly.

Symptoms prior to death: Burst eyes, blue tint under skin, masses in neck, orange spots on back, seizures.

Pending necrospy, suspected lymphosarcoma.

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PinkRufus
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Post   » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:04 am


Otto
Sex: Male
Color: TSW
Age: 3 years
Death: Unsuccessful cystotomy (bladder stone).
Medical History: Sprained foot, hematoma from fight wound.

Henri
Sex: Male
Color: Golden agouti
Age: 6 years
Death: Calcification of bronchial tubes (age related).
Medical History: Regular checkups, perfect health.

Algernon
Sex: Male
Color: Red & White
Age: 6 years
Death: Heart failure (age related)
Medical History: Sinus infection at age 5, other than that, none.

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