Gracie - Very Sore Eye

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Post   » Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:11 pm


Gracie's eye again is much better than that picture there, there is a patch now about a quarter size of what it was in the last photo and it is red rather than white which I assume are the blood vessels doing their healing work.

The two weeks of eyedrops were up and her eye wasn't back to normal so we phoned the vet for advice - she advised to keep her on the eyedrops for one more week and then bring her back in if her eye still wasn't healed up. It's coming up to the end of that week now.

Should we be trying a different eye drop now or should we just keep at it with this one and accept it is just taking a bit longer than expected to heal?

Talishan
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Post   » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:37 pm


If it were me I'd keep her on the tiacin for a while longer and accept that this may be taking a bit longer than expected to heal.

If you're not using an ointment (Terramycin is one in the US) in conjunction with the drops, that might be an option. She's doing well, albeit slowly, so I'd hesitate to start messing around with changing the drops.

If you do go with a BNP or Terramycin-type ointment to supplement the drops, use it very sparingly. It has one of the toxic AB's in it and you want her to ingest very, very little as she cleans and grooms herself.

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Post   » Fri Feb 01, 2008 8:29 am


Thanks Talishan, I think I'll keep her on just the eyedrops for now and keep monitoring her eye. If at any point it seems to stall in the healing process I'll look up what the UK ointment is and get her some of that.

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Post   » Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:50 am


So for the first time in a long time Gracie visited the vet today.

Suspected ovarian cysts, symptoms: prolonged heat/estrus, enlarged nipples, flared vulva.

Diagnosis: ovaries are tiny, nothing could be felt on them by physical examination, most unlike my other cystic ovarian girls.

Treatment: first hCG injection has been given, will follow up with a full course if necessary.


Gracie gets so stressed at the vets, she plays dead the entire time and would lay on her back or side if you placed her so - it scares me so much every time! Very glad to have her back home again and back to her normal ninja pig ways.

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Jun 04, 2009 10:47 am


I don't think the ovaries are necessarily easy to locate and feel. Sorry this is hard on Gracie. She's our gal!

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Post   » Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:38 pm


I think ovaries are astonishingly tiny on a piggie, I got to palpate Brie's regular ovary last time and was amazed! I did a little happy dance that Gracie's were normal compared to the rest of the herd - I know ovarian cysts are common but 4 out of 5 sows is pretty harsh.


She's recovered fine back at home now, giving me the stinkeye but that's quite normal for her! :)

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Post   » Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:27 pm


Poor traumatized Gracie, playing dead is scary to watch.
Beibei was like that the first time I took her in for "possible cysts ultrasound". When they were shaving her belly, I thought she had a stroke and froze!

Stinkeye away little girl, you have been through much humiliation today.

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Post   » Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:24 am


On Friday we noticed that Gracie had a bad limp in her front leg. She sprained one of her back legs a few months ago so we figured it was probably the same again - however, it looks a lot more serious.

I'm just about to go pick her up from the vet and see what he says, but apparently her x-rays showed no abnormality. A physical examination at the weekend though showed that she has less muscle on her affected leg than on her non-sore leg.

She is reluctant to put weight on the leg though will do so in order to clean or itch herself etc. When eating pellets she tries to stand up for a while but eventually has to lay down on her pudge. We've put lots of food on the ground for her (hay is always on the ground too) which she appreciates. She is keen to move around at veggie time but spends much of her other time having to lay down.

She had also lost weight - her appetite is fine but I think she is finding it harder to get up and get food when she wants to. We've been giving her a little critical care to maintain her weight - she eats it off a spoon and thinks it is wonderful. She is currently just under 2lb 7oz compared to her usual 2lb 10-11oz. Still a big girl.

She's always had a problem with a messy bottom (she likes to sit in pee, argh) but of course it's gotten worse recently and I guess that ties in to this leg problem perhaps being more long term - I'm sure she was hiding it very well :/


With the x-ray showing nothing major, but her leg obviously being quite sore (though not to touch as far as I can tell), is it likely to then be arthritis? She is 5 years old.

If arthritis is it then a case of pain management?

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:39 am


I would think an x-ray would have shown any arthritis but maybe it was just missed? I'd discuss this with her vet and try and find out why the muscle is deteriorating in just the one leg. A small dose of pain meds might help if she's uncomfortable with the leg.

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BamBam

Post   » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:43 am


Arthrotabs can be quite useful. I will check the dosage I use when I get home if its of interest.

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Post   » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:54 am


Apparently the x-ray showed no difference at all between her front legs so we're at a bit of a loss. The vet thinks arthritis due to her age and the leg not being sore to touch etc. We've got metacam for her just now to see how she progresses as she reacted well to pain meds before.

We do have an expert guinea pig vet further away who we can go see. I'll keep an eye on how she progresses with the pain meds... Letting her settle back in now - Gracie does not do well at the vets, I think she's been playing dead the entire time again :/

Anything and everything that could help her is of interest! I think either way we'll go see Good Vet soon to see what he thinks.

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:12 pm


When you do go to see "Good Vet" perhaps an ultrasound of the offending leg would help. X-rays only show hard matter where an ultrasound shows soft tissue.

Please give Gracie a gentle hug from me and tell her I don't do well at my "vets" either ; )

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Post   » Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:04 pm


Thanks Bugs Mom, that's good to know! We took her to our local vets just so we could rule out anything urgent really, like breaks or tumour etc. We'll sort something out with Good Vet to see exactly what we're dealing with.

Poor Gracie has never come around to being petted or enjoying hugs - I think Rosie likes them enough for both of them! But she does love her critical care so that cheered her up hugely :)

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Post   » Tue Jun 21, 2011 9:13 pm


It was my understanding that arthritis would show up on an xray. Looking forward to having your "good vet" return.

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Post   » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:16 pm


(Regarding the above, we took Gracie off the pain meds to see how she went and her leg has been absolutely fine ever since. I'm thinking it was a particularly bad sprain, as she's been her spright old self for months now!)

Gracie started squeaking in pain when she was peeing and we took her to the vet who confirmed there was definitely blood in her urine and to first try a course of baytril. Gracie seemed to improve so we thought we'd cracked it, but last night she started whimpering when she peed again so we took her back.

As agreed at the last visit, this time Gracie was x-rayed and got an ultrasound. Her bladder came back clear of stones but there was however calcium build up - not in the bladder but in the urethra.

We have more baytril for Gracie and we'll give her extra fluids too. We have four water bottles in the pen (for three pigs) and two of those are for cranberry juice which we've done for years (as Purdie has interstitial cystitis). We've also been very diet aware for years as Brie (who passed away) had major issues with vegetables high in calcium (and romaine lettuce etc) and we never switched back.

They do get Oxbow pellets and I've seen suggestions in other threads that this might be a problem? They've been on them since they were babies (all our pigs are 5 years old now) and we're in the UK so the only other decent option is Burgess I think. Recently we ran out of pellets so bought some Burgess - perhaps this is a cause?

Her behaviour is generally okay - her appetite is fine, as is her mobility. But when she does need to pass urine she sits hunched up for a long time, and her cries are a lot worse. There have been no calcium deposits in her urine.

Is there anything else we can do for her?

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Bethie
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Post   » Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:39 pm


Isn't Burgess lucerne based? I think that has more calcium than Oxbow. I hope she manages to pee it all out okay.

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:39 pm


Have you tried trimethoprim/sulfamethoxizole (some form of Bactrim)?? gl/antibiotics.html It is generally well tolerated and quite effective for UTIs. I wonder if the urethra needs flushing. Sometimes calcium deposits can kind of get embedded in the bladder walls - I wonder if anything similar is happening in the urethra. Is it a continuous darkness? Not a bunch of stones? I would increase fluids, maybe try a vibrator.

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Post   » Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:11 am


It's definitely not stones, and she got a lot of fluids put through her yesterday at the vets (which may explain the increased pain afterwards?).

Bactrim would definitely have been better, damn - it's been such a long time since we needed antibiotics, I've forgotten this stuff. Gracie does tolerate baytril well at least. Thanks Lynx - I'm so used to heart stuff I feel like a newbie with everything else again!

I didn't realise Burgess was lucerne hay, argh. They were on it briefly before but that was when they were babies. They started getting it about a month ago and loved it so we were using up the rest of the bag along with their Cavy Cuisine. I've removed it now, I'm almost 100% sure that would be what caused it given the rest of their diet is balanced. Thank you Bethie!

I'll see if I can get some kind of vibrating pad for her, and we're giving her lots of fluids which thankfully she is happy to take!

Talishan
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Post   » Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:29 am


The vibrating pad is a great idea. Hopefully it may even loosen some of the calcium coating her urethra so she can pee it out.

Best to her and to you.

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Post   » Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:44 pm


Gracie recovered from all of the above, and has since dealt with a case of bumblefoot that cleared up as well - I swear my girls have a medical encyclopaedia to choose their predicaments from!

Gracie is now 6 and a half years old, as are Rosie and Purdie. However, Rosie and Purdie both behave like elderly pigs - both are on heart meds and sleep a lot, and aren't really interested in playing.

Gracie on the other hand is still round and soft, with bags of energy, and as she's always been ridiculously intelligent, I've been really worried about her boredom levels. We noticed her pulling hair off of Purdie a few times. Gracie always used to get the other pigs to chase her (even though she's always been the Number Two pig) by tugging at them and running off. Now of course Purdie isn't up for it, so the hair comes right out.

I've been keeping her occupied with toys to help as unfortunately Gracie is not a fan of lap time, or of playing with the stinky humans.

Last night when I was putting ointment on her foot (the bumblefoot has cleared up but it happened because of hard skin on that foot tearing), we noticed that she has also barbered herself - right in the middle of her tummy. Yes, she is that flexible! It's not near her nipples, it's right down the middle and higher up than that, and I've seen her grooming there but thought that's all it was.


So! Is this a boredom thing? Or could it be medical? Her weight and behaviour are all normal. She's in heat at the moment, but not aggressively so, and this must have taken longer than that to do this.

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