From what I've been finding online, the one for swine is definitely zoonotic and so probably so is any type of strep with guinea pigs. Don't you catch it either!
- I GAVE, dammit!
What else! When my "wild" pig was so sick and they thought it was pastruella, I was numb, stunned and sick to my stomach at what might be the possible consequences. It was my worst nightmare as I am sure that this is yours.
I've had no experience with this but I am so sorry that it has been so hard on you lately.
I moved the sow. It could be my imagination, but I think the lumps have gotten bigger in the past few hours.
Fenella wants to come up here and get her. I don't think she understands the seriousness of it. She has something like 80 pigs and can't endanger them.
Thanks, Julian. Yes this is my worst nightmare, aside from the one where all the pigs get mixed in together and start breeding. It could mean the end of this rescue.
1) What is the incubation period of CL? I need to find out how long I will have to quarantine all the pigs in my house to make sure that they are not affected.
2) What is the recovery time? How long should a pig with CL be on antibiotics before they are considered 'cured'? When the lumps disappear? One week after? Two weeks?
3) How can I find out if a guinea pig is a carrier?
4) The surgical option of removing the lumps encapsulated greatly reduces the chances of transmission. If we were able somehow to get that done for this sow, could she be quarantined in the same bathroom as Sebastian? His lumps have pretty much disappeared. Is he in danger of catching it again, or will he have an immunity? Is he 'cured' yet?
And more bad news. Rowan, one of the dumpster boys, developed a lump on the middle of his throat a few days ago. Despite being on Baytril for 2 weeks, it is getting bigger every day. It looks like that will have to be aspirated/removed too. And I'm not doing it, because it's right on his throat. I'm afraid I would kill him.
Our weather has been in the low 90's and most days I only have to use a tall osciallating fan for them to keep them comfortable. A couple of days, I put a frozen jug in a dishpan behind the fan and that worked well to keep them cool. They haven't showed any signs of overheating at all with these measures.
Just thought it if you had a building outside, this might help you with the isolation problem.
By the way, I don't know what I was thinking about the strep. Yes, guinea pigs can get it from us (more likely) so it is possible we could get it from them, though less likely. More proof (as if you needed any) that I don't always remember all the details.
Do you know if these dumpster pigs ever had hay before coming to you guys?
If not, is it at all possible they're having problems dealing with the hay and getting abcesses from the hay?
Just a (hopeful) thought.
About the only thing I can contribute is that Dr. Otten told me, when I suspected Scout and Buttercup of CL, that it was rare to spread if the lumps were intact.
So, I'm wondering if there's less of a danger with the many pigs around who weren't exposed post-aspiration?
Becky, I don't know if they had hay but they began eating it immediately when I gave it to them, as sign of familiarity. But since they have been eating KM's bluegrass, I think a hay poke it probably not the thing. And Sebastian's lumps were equal in size, one under each ear. It's just too ominous.
I did find one site last night that said that S. Zooepidemicus is only an animal illness.
Many sites said that 'depopulation' (here we go again) was needed, and one said that antibiotic therapies are useless. Scary.
One reference said that it takes 7-10 days on AB to heal. But Rowan has been on Baytril for that long and his lumps are getting BIGGER.
One site said that they are no longer contagious once the abscesses have gone away.
Cindi, I live in a condo with a carport.
Amy, if you can make it, I'll be glad for the help. 33 pigs on Baytril and 14 of those needing other meds/care is a bit much.
Is that like the understatement of the year?
I don't want to make assertions about this since I don't have all the information. But,
If it is not zoonotic, then you can't catch it.
If a pig's abscesses haven't been opened, it is much less contagious. And only Sebastian has had his abscesses lanced.
But I don't blame you if you don't want to come.
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/204 ... ooepidemicus
Inflammation and enlargement of the cervical lymph nodes is common in guinea pigs. The causative organism is usually b-hemolytic Streptococcus zooepidemicus , although other bacteria also may cause the condition. The organisms may gain entry to the lymphatics from abrasions of the oral mucosa or from the upper respiratory tract. Clinical findings are large, often unilateral swellings or abscesses in the ventral region of the neck. Otitis media and panophthalmitis also may be associated with cervical lymphadenitis. Microscopically, there is suppuration of the cervical lymph nodes. Diagnosis is based on clinical signs and isolation and identification of the causative organism. The use of abrasive materials in feed or litter should be avoided. In addition, upper respiratory tract infections should be prevented and controlled. Affected guinea pigs should be culled, because organisms from the draining abscesses may infect others in the colony. Antibiotic therapy generally is unrewarding because of the adverse effects of many antibiotics (see above). Cephaloridine (25 mg/kg body wt, IM, daily) is reported to be effective in controlling and eliminating the disease.
Cause and zoonosis:
* Most often caused by a Lancefield Group C Streptococcus called Streptococcus zooepidemicus. This bacteria is Gram-positive. There are other bacteria that have been found to cause CL, though. A culture would need to be done to identify the bacteria causing the CL.
* One source stated that Streptococcus zooepidemicus is only an animal pathogen. However, several sources stated that Group C Streptococcus, including Streptococcus zooepidemicus, may cause disease in humans.