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mkkayla
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Post   » Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:48 am


You know I hate people trying to pull the wool over my eyes. I took my meds back to the compounding pharmacy. The pharmacist asked me if I wanted a new bottle or he could just 'loosen this one up'. I told him I wanted a new bottle. He couldn't tell me what concentration was left in the bottle nor what the concentration would be after he 'loosened it up'. He agreed and went off to make me a new bottle. When I got it it looked suspiciously like my old bottle, so I asked him if I had 10 days worth in the bottle. He said he didn't know. If he just mixed it up he should have known how many days worth was in the bottle, don't you think? He knew then, that I caught him red handed-all he had done was loosen up my old med after I told him I didn't want that. He went back and I saw him get down a mortal and pestle and start on my new bottle. So now I have a new bottle of meds and I'm hoping he hasn't screwed me again. Jerk.

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:01 am


That was scary. Good thing you were paying attention to what he was doing.

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Lynx
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Post   » Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:03 am


Wow, I would be really peaved too. What the heck was he thinking????

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mkkayla
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Post   » Thu Nov 13, 2008 10:14 am


He was thinking he could a) save time by just adding something to my bottle and shaking it up (I got there 10 minutes before closing) and b) save money by not having to make up a new bottle.

AND what's worse, I can't complain to the owner-he IS the owner.

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BReit81

Post   » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:41 pm


UPDATE: I just wanted to give an update on Louie but I didn't know how to do so in the existing thread. Louie died on December 2, 2008. He was one year and almost 4 months old. At the time of his death, he was on 2.5 mg a day of Benazapril and .5ccs 2x a day of Furosemide. He had also finished a round of Baytril the day before. He kept dropping weight even with adjusting his meds, feeding Critical Care, and the antibiotics. When he died he only weighted 734 grams. I feel I did all that I could and that his heart finally gave out and he was just so tired. I was devastated when he died and I am still very sad. He was the sweetest little baby. He will be missed and loved always.

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:23 pm


I am so very sorry you lost him, BReit81. When you nurse them for so long, it is especially painful.

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:27 pm


I'm so sorry about Louie.

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LAWomans
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Post   » Fri May 15, 2009 7:55 pm


I wanted to post about using Vetmedin on heart pigs. I have three on it now.

Freddie, Eloise and Dibs. All three have enlarged hearts on x-ray, have a history of extreme heart symptoms including rattling, hooting, bad circulation and very heavy breathing, plus loss of appetite.

I almost lost Freddie and Eloise to heart failure last summer but they are still with me. Freddie is going down hill a little but Eloise and Dibs are doing great. I suspect Freddie is older than we first thought.

Dr. Kanfer prescribed Vetmedin, 1.25mg, 1/4 tablet twice a day for these pigs. Within days they all recovered, started eating on their own and no longer had breathing problems, congestion or any other symptoms.

It isn't very expensive and so far has worked like a miracle.

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Fri May 15, 2009 8:02 pm


Mine has been on the Vetmedin (Pimobendan) for several months and still has problems breathing including, from time to time, hooting.

She also gets Lasix and Lotinsen.

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LAWomans
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Post   » Sat May 16, 2009 11:47 am


How much Lotensin and Lasix is she on? I find I have to up the Lasix periodically when they rattle. So far Freddie has only rattled a couple of times and that is usually at the end of when the Lotensin is near expiration. It is supposed to last 8 weeks but I refill in 6. Did you see the post where I found a great compounding pharmacist? He ships for a minimal charge. Mum has started using him and is very happy with the service and compounding, as I am.

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Maja

Post   » Sun May 24, 2009 8:05 am


Masha...

1) Female, agouti mix, 3 yrs 8 months

2) During the past few months her energy level decreased significantly, became sleepy, lethargic, wouldn't come out of the cage, I thought the changes were because she lost her cagemate. Loss of appetite, became a picky eater, her weight was stabile at 1150 gr despite of changes in her eating habits. Stopped eating 3 times during the last 2 months. Loss of muscular tonus. Sometimes hooting at night. Her weight now is 1090 gr.

3) X ray showed huge heart. Lungs clear of fluid. We're going to take cardiac ultrasound in a couple of days...

4) Lasix 2mg twice a day, enalapril 0,5 mg/kg twice a day. Benazepril is not available here.

5) None yet. It's her 4 th day on meds.

6) Bad fungal infection when I got her that took 2 months to clear up. GIT stasis problem, once almost lost her. She had abscess on her neck twice (both sides). Last year had a surgery to remove abscess, recovered well. Blocked tear duct.

pinta

Post   » Sun May 24, 2009 1:20 pm


If the lungs are clear of fluid, why is she on Lasix? Is Vetmedin available there?

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Maja

Post   » Sun May 24, 2009 2:57 pm


I asked why is she on Lasix too; the vet said that even though she doesn't have any fluid in her lungs adding Lasix at minimum dose in combination with ACE inhibitors lowers mortality in animals with heart failure.

I think we have Vetmedin (pimobendan), I already talked about it with my vet. He said we should wait a couple of days and see if enalapril works, if not then switch the meds. Do you have better results with Vetmedin than ACE inhibitors?

My main problem is making Masha to eat... She only picks up on strawberries, spinach and hay; she doesn't wanna eat any salad or other veggies that she would normally eat. I syringe feed her too but it's tricky because she fights me, I try not to force her too much because of her weak heart.

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Bugs Mom

Post   » Sun May 24, 2009 3:28 pm


Lasix will only clear fluid from the chest cavity. It will do nothing for the heart itself. Vetmedin will help the heart directly.

Just for info purposes Benazapril is the generic version of Lotinsen and is used for human heart problems. I know people who take it. I'll bet it is available where you are but possibly going by a different name.

My little one is on Benazapril, Lasix and Vetmedin twice every day.

pinta

Post   » Mon May 25, 2009 2:29 am


I don't think Vetmedin is used by itself. As far as I know it's used in conjunction with an ace inhibitor.

adding Lasix at minimum dose in combination with ACE inhibitors lowers mortality in animals with heart failure.

I'd be interested in any studies your vet knows of about this.

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Stacy
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Post   » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:53 pm


Little Bit, my bladder stone pig, was just diagnosed with heart problems. Here's her relevant info:

1 - Little Bit, abby, 5 years old, female
2 - Initial symptoms: She started breathing heavily and not eating as much.
3 - Initial testing: X-rays were done, which indicated fluid in the lungs. Heart also appeared 60% larger than normal. Heart murmur heard.
4 - Drugs prescribed: She is on Lasix (0.1 cc 2x daily) to get the fluid out of her lungs. She is on benazepril (0.4 cc 1x daily). The vet also recently added nitroglycerin, which I rub on her ear once daily.
5 - Current symptoms: She is still breathing rapidly, but it is not as bad as it was. She goes back for a 3rd reevaluation this week. She seems to be eating more and has more energy now.
6 - Other health issues: She has bladder stones. She has had two surgeries. She is on polycitra and shilintong.

Question: Has anyone else's vet prescribed nitroglycerin? My vet uses it on rabbits, so he is giving it a try with Little Bit.

pinta

Post   » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:59 pm


Not familiar with nitroglycerin but your lasix dose seems low. Should be 2-5mg'kg every 12 hours. If your solution is 10mg/ml, than 0.1cc is pretty low. Our basic trial rate is 5mg/kg every 24 hours(or split into two:2.5mg/kg every 12 hours).

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Stacy
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Post   » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:04 pm


pinta, she was on .2 cc of Lasix 2x daily. The vet reduced it last week to .1cc twice daily because she was getting very dehydrated. Her current weight is 1 pound, 8 ounces.

pinta

Post   » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:12 pm


okay - that makes sense. You could also give 0.15 ccs twice a day (or 0.1cc in the morning and 0.2 ccs at night) rather than cutting her dose in half right away.

I have one pig on 0.3 cc's twice a day. 0.5 cc once a day wasn't cutting it. The extra 0.1cc made all the difference. She's also on 0.75 cc's fortekor twice a day(concentration has rubbed off the bottle) The usual dose is 0.5 cc's twice a day. Before she got her meds adjusted she spent all day in one spot resting her chin on the pellet dish. Now she's jumping levels and going down the ramp to free range in the kitchen.

You'll have to learn how to do a subcue.

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tara8301
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Post   » Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:43 pm


Lily just got her heart diagnosis this morning.

1 - Lily is a Texel about 4.5 yrs (approx. b-date Jan. '05). She had her ovarian pedicles ligated, but reproductive organs are still there.
2 - She wheezed occasionally and has pea eye. Other than that, no real symptoms. Her activity level and her eating patterns did not change. She still runs around and wheeks the loudest for veggies.
3 - X-rays showed enlarged heart and fluid in the lungs. Vet also said left lung had a crackling sound due to the fluid.
4 - Enacard and Furosemide (or enalapril and lasix). 1/4 of a 2.5 mg tab of the enacard every 48 hrs. and 0.3 mL of 12.5 mg/mL furosemide every 12 hrs.
5 - None yet, as we just got the diagnosis today and will start meds in the morning. X-rays will be performed again in 7-10 days to monitor treatment and perhaps get a view of the bladder stone she may have.
6 - Nothing, really. During the same vet visit, the vet checked out a lump near Lily's back left leg but the vet said it was a benign fatty tumor. She might also have a bladder stone, but x-rays weren't conclusive.

Here's Lily's medical thread: http://www.guinealynx.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=51846&start=40

Any advice for a new heart pig mom would be greatly appreciated!

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