And now the update:
Phyllis' lumps are getting worse. One is big marble size now and its neighbor is little marble size. She is still eating, though. Fenella has offered 50% of her surgical costs (she was Fenella's pig recently transferred up here) so we will probably go ahead with having her cysts removed entirely and then moving her into my downstairs bathroom IF the vet doesn't think that she will be a danger to the other pigs.
Rowan, the not lilac himi of the dumpster pigs, is not going to fare as well, I'm afraid. His lump is getting bigger by the hour. I think it's in danger of bursting and we can't let that happen for sure. The other pig's lump seems about the same.
7 dumpster pigs with CL=7 possible surgeries=2100$ and 7x more risk of contagion. And we still don't know what to do with Sebastian downstairs.
I'll be consulting with different vets in the a.m. Given the rate and type of transmission, we are so afraid of infecting the other 30 pigs in the household. I'll have to get the vet's input on whether or not we can determine carrier status. But it doesn't look good for any of them.
Frightening thought number 1: It was my vet who instructed me to aspirate Sebastian's lumps at home. Why didn't he know that it could be airborne?
Frightening thought number 2: Somewhere out there is someone selling himis and satins with cervical lymphadenitis.
Up to SEVEN now? That's really scary. I took a shower right when I got home, but I did pass by the pig cages. I think I'll wipe myself with alcohol before touching anyone.
What exactly is the fatality rate for CL? If my pigs catch it, as long as they survive, it wont be so bad. I don't plan on getting more pigs anyways. 4-5 is enough.
Well, let me know if I can help in some way. I think Dr R effed up again. :( Take his plaque back.
And go back to bed, sitting down is not good for you. Did you like the food ok? Get some rest and take care of yourself please.
Only 3 dumpster pigs with obvious symptoms. 7 dumpster pigs total. Maybe no one else will develop lumps, but they all live together.
I am going back to bed soon. Had to get up to talk to the board. Everyone's scared and worried.
From what I can find, incubation is 3 to 14 days. Mortality is 10%. I'm reading a French report mais je ne suis pas courrant.
Maybe E can translate this one phrase I can't get:
Les animaux guéris peuvent rester porteurs du germe, notamment au niveau des poches gutturales et la durée du portage peut excéder 8 mois.
Thanks for the update.
I had that same frightening thought, too, re: someone out there may be selling himis and satins with Cervical Lymphadenitis (CL).
Another thought had also occurred to me - perhaps CL is the reason why those pigs were dumped in the first place. The person may have known that they were exposed to CL and didn't want to be bothered treating them, etc.
If I come across any more information that I feel may help, I'll post it, okay?
On behalf of pigs everywhere, thank you.
My translation is much the same as yours Para, - "The cured animals can remain carrying the germ, in particular on the level of the pockets gutturales and the duration of the bearing can exceed 8 months"
Guttural pockets, I would assume to be a cavity in the voicebox and/or throat area since guttural usually refers to a throaty noise?
I hope things improve.
HORSES have guttural pouches. They are large "blind pockets" in their heads. I have NO IDEA if guineas also have them - hopefully someone else does. Was your article about the disease as it occurs in horses?
In horses, I know guttural pouches are immediately suspect in any kind of draining infection w/ pus that shows up in the nasal area. Whatever infection there is must be agressively treated with antibiotics, as like the inner ear, they are lovely breeding grounds for bugs.
I will not venture to say anything else as I have no exact medical reference to point to, I'm just going by what I remember reading in the past. But first we ought to determine if guineas even have guttural pouches! Anyone with an anatomy text?
The article was written by Dr. Dwight G. Bennett.
Guttural pouches are outpouchings of the eustachian tubes. Only equines have guttural pouches, but all mammals have eustachian tubes. Eustachian tubes extend from the inner surface of each eardrum to the pharynx (the place where the nasal passages and mouth join). These tubes serve the vital function of regulating the pressure on the eardrums.
P.S. My family, esp. my son who has gone thru two sets of implanted "ear tubes," could certainly use larger eustachian tubes. Ours are a poor design!
Just had an interesting thought, since I was thinking about horses: This CL disease sounds an awful lot like strangles. I wonder if it's same thing, and Cervical Lymphadenitis is the scientific name for it? I'm going to check.
Yes, that was an equine report. I couldn't find anything under guinea pigs + CL + carriers, except that they "may become" carriers. So I was looking to see if other animals affected by S. zoo became carriers.
I think I will have to take a trip to the library and pore through some veterinary journals.
Inky, I think "cervical lymphadenitis" just means "swellings of the lymph nodes in the neck area." The actual disease we're looking at is Streptococcus Zooepidemicus, or else Pasteurella.
For what it's worth, here's the article I read about strangles, since the diseases do seem to have a very similar progression:
I know you already know the goop from burst/lanced abcesses is the worst carrier. I especially thought it was interesting that it says nothing about S. Equi being airborne-transmittable... Also, it seems like a good thing in the sick horses if the abcesses burst or are lanced.
Like I said, I understand that it's a totally different bug that's making your poor little ones sick but thought maybe the info. could be useful.
Tell me about it, InkysMom! LOL! I got done with lunch, cleaned the pigs' cage, checked the mail and I'm now checking back on GL for a few moments to see if there were any new developments. In about 15 minutes, I'll have to start supper!In your house that's a 2-hour project, eh?
By the way, you wouldn't want to see my house near a meal time. It becomes a true zoo! I've never seen children who act like they've never, ever seen food before. Sheesh! I should have kept the magnet my parents gave me while at CU. It said "Welcome to the zoo!" That fits this household in more ways than one, that is for sure! LOL!