Brody's Thread - Anal Impaction, Vitamin Deficiency?

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armoftheland

Post   » Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:23 pm


Hi everyone,

I'm a first time poster and long time lurker and thanks to all of you I have learned to care well for my pigs.

Brody, my 5 year old boar has had an impaction problem for a few years now. I clean out his sack every other day and this has worked well for us, but a recent bout of mites has caused him to lose a lot of weight.

The mites have now been treated and he is on the come back, but it still has been very difficult to put weight back on. During the last few cleaning sessions of his sack I have noticed that the impaction is much smellier than usual (and he refuses to eat what I take out) although his pellets are of a normal consistency and color. It seems like he is having a hard time getting ANY of his pellets. When we cuddle and I see him trying to get one, I try to take them out and feed them to him, but I never catch the cecal ones. It worries me quite a bit!

I know a deficiency in vitamins could add to the trouble he is having and I was wondering what a good supplement for B complex would be, how I would go about administering them (Both pigs have been supplemented 25mg a day of Cs already) and what the dosage would be per oz of body weight? (Brody is at 1lbs 7oz)

Thanks in advance for your help!

Cinnabuns Legacy

Post   » Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:39 pm


I'm sorry to hear about Brody's impaction issues. B complex can be syringed to him or put in pellet mash or on vegetables if he'll eat it that way. Use a human grade one without artificial colors/sweeteners/preservatives. The GuineaLynx care guide on impaction says 25 milligrams per day of the B complex, dissolved in water. Human grade acidophilus cultures can also be given and may help his digestive system since he's not eating his cecal pellets.


https://www.guinealynx.info/impaction.html

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:49 pm


Generally mites do not account for severe weight loss unless it was an out of control very serious infestation. Pigs whose immune systems are down may be more susceptible to an outbreak. Has he been evaluated by a vet for other illnesses?

Talishan
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Post   » Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:46 pm


Ditto Lynx, but in the meantime I've had very good success with these:

Dissolve readily, don't smell too bad

They're available at Whole Foods in the US. Health food stores may also have them.

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armoftheland

Post   » Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:08 pm


Thanks so much for everyone's help i have purchased a regular multi and am giving him 25mg a day for now.

In response to Lynx's post you're absolutely right. It wasn't an infestation that was out of control, my vet agrees with you but could not find anything when we went last. His teeth, eyes, ears, nose skin, feet, pee and poop, water and eating habits are all fairly normal.

She has recommended that I go to an more cavy savvy vet that is about two hours away from me and I will be booking the appointment next week. I wish I could go sooner. Unfortunately this means that Brody will have to be in an "air condition-less" car for a long time. I am trying to wait the weather out so it won't be too hot or drafty in the car for him.

His condition seems so far stable but I'm having a battle keeping weight on him. Today he seems not as bright eyed as usual and although interested in food and eats, he won't eat a substantial enough amount to put some fat on his bones. He dropped to 1 lbs 6 3/8 oz. It's devastating considering two weeks ago we were on an upturn.

Thanks again for any suggestions everyone might have.

Talishan
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Post   » Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:24 pm


" purchased a regular multi "

Ditch it if it contains anything OTHER than vitamin C and the B complex. These are the only two vitamins guinea pigs will need in supplement form. The others can actually do harm.

If you've bought a B complex multi (the B's alone), then that's fine.

My gut hunch is that there's something else wrong and it isn't "just" impaction or vitamin deficiency. I hope I'm wrong. I'd want to get him to the cavy-knowledgeable vet sooner rather than later. Could you keep him cool with blue ice bricks or similar?

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armoftheland

Post   » Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:52 am


Talishan, thanks, good eyes! I did mean B complex, not a multi vitamin... It's been a long day here, sorry about that. I was nervous about buying the right one when I went to the store and got one without vitamin C since he likes his chewables. Today his poops were smaller and he didn't finish his guinea salad so I'm getting more and more worried that time is of the essence and theres something major going on that the vet missed. Going to the vet sooner rather than later.

In the mean time are there any tips or tricks any one has for calorie rich sustenance for guinea pigs? I have read the section on hand feeding and have been supplementing his diet with a pellet slurry to ensure he is eating enough since there's been a drop in the last few days in the substance of his poops and the amount he has been eating, but as I dont have access to oxbow is this the best option? what types of food are fattening? I thought apples and carrots were so I've been feeding him those, but it's not translating to weight gain unfortunately.

Also good idea about the ice bricks. I have been putting a frozen water bottle wrapped in a towel in his cage. I was wondering, as some people say it is beneficial to put a heating pad in when a pig doesn't feel well (i guess to conserve energy) and he is so small, is there a chance he could feel cold even when it is very warm out?

Thanks again for all tips and help. Guinea lynx is a life saver.

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armoftheland

Post   » Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:49 pm


So today we went to the vets. Last night I stayed up all night worrying and at different intervals trying to force feed Brody the pellet slurry. His weight in the morning had dropped to 1 lb 5 5/8 oz and in the afternoon to 1 lb 5 1/4 oz. The weight just kept falling off with no sign of improvement so we bit the bullet and did the hot car ride thing.

Savvy vet was a big treat for us, a very thorough and knowledgeable vet who doesn't assume anything (let's clarify, it's guinea pig timothy pellets, not rabbit?) He did a thorough check of his molars (no spurs) and x-rays in case of an obstruction. He also evaluated his heart which was slightly enlarged but nothing serious and his kidneys which are much enlarged. He suspects Brody could be suffering from renal failure and thinks he is a good candidate for a urinography which we are going to attempt next week. Hopefully I can get a non-contaminated sample.

As there is no obstruction presented by the x-rays we got a hold of some critical care (tastes so good we'd eat the syringe, too, if Mom would let us) Cisapride, Flagyl and Fortiflora to treat possible bacterial issue.

Talishan
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Post   » Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:14 am


I'm sorry for the renal diagnosis, but very glad to hear you found such an excellent vet.

Even if Brody's heart is just "slightly" enlarged, he may benefit from heart support medication (benazepril to start). The heart's function affects the function of every other organ and system in the body. This is the voice of experience.

I'd see if the vet will consider a clinical trial of benazepril to assess Brody's response to it. Otherwise, it sounds as if you have a very good vet.

Urinography => urinalysis?

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armoftheland

Post   » Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:24 am


Ahem, yes :) Urinalysis. No more posting after staying up all night! Maybe Lynx will be kind enough to edit my post for me and save me some embarrassment....

Heart problems I know are serious business, is there any sort of direct connection of heart issues to renal issues? Lack of blood flow to kidneys?

I'll definitely check more into Benazepril. With so many possibilities of problems and just getting started sorting them all out I didn't even really consider the heart issue. It was said as more of a side note when we were looking at the x-rays. I'm glad you pointed that out Talishan because it is a good thing to consider. I'll ask my vet about the heart issues on our return visit next week, but I haven't noticed any hooting or trademarks of a heart pig in Brody. Not to put down your good suggestion, I ask out of curiosity: Are there ill affects to dosing a pig with Benazepril who may NOT have heart issues at the age of 5?

Talishan
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Post   » Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:57 am


Not generally. Benazepril is a later generation of the same family of ACE inhibitors that contains enalapril (Enacard). Many, if not most, vets are thoroughly familiar with the use of Enacard in other species and it does have some side effects to be cautious of.

Benazepril has fewer. The only risk that I am aware of in using it in an animal that doesn't need it is excessively low blood pressure. The way to avoid that is to start with a small dose and work it up slowly to the recommended dosage.

www.guinealynx.info/heart.html

If his heart is "slightly enlarged" on x-ray, that means heart issues. They may not be critical or immediately life-threatening or immediately impact other organs or systems. But the condition doesn't go away and it doesn't self-resolve. Starting medication now and seeing if it is beneficial can potentially extend his life comfortably down the road.

Not all vets are open to this. It's worth an ask, though, IMO.

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armoftheland

Post   » Sat Aug 07, 2010 6:41 pm


So Brody is eating again and he seems to be vastly improved, but still not gaining QUITE enough weight or eating quite as much as I'd like. We're continuing with FORCED critical care once daily to supplement his intake of water and nutrients for now. If anyone has any ideas how to keep weight on him in the meantime, I'm open to any suggestions.

We're back after our follow up visit. The kidney failure has been confirmed, unfortunately, so we're working to extend his quality of life. It's really sad, for obvious reasons, but nice in a way because right now he doesn't seem to be in any pain and I have a chance to spend time with him and enjoy our time together.

The vet prescribed an acidophillus just like Sef suggested in a thread I started for Kidney failure. The forti-flora, although not harming him, doesn't really seem to be helping him. He is really trying to get at his pellets lately and actually bit himself trying to dig one out. So we'll be starting on the supplements for probiotics.

The vet also prescribed Lotensin (good call Talishan) for both his possible heart issue and the kidney failure. The hopes are that it will increase blood flow to the kidneys and therefore increase the filtering that happens. Has anyone heard of this use for Lotensin before? I read up on it in the medication files and it suggested that it can actually cause kidney damage.

I brought up the subcutaneous fluids but the vet wasn't keen on sticking needles into him every couple of days. He said he'd be happy to try it if it's something I really wanted to do, which I appreciate, but I've held off on in for now. I was hoping you could all give me your knowledge of the subQ route. Do your guinea pigs tend to resent you or feel a lot of pain when being injected? Was the quality of life worth the suffering?

Also, a question that looms in my mind is, how do you know when it's time to let go? I have a feeling I'll know when we get there, but I am a control freak. I wish I knew how much time we had left.

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