The fact is your pig is still hooting and wheezing. If he has a bacterial infection and the baytril isn't the appropriate AB, then after 3 weeks he should be very very ill. Pigs die from untreated URIs. If the AB isn't working essentially the "URI is untreated". But he isn't any sicker......At this point vets will go for the allergy diagnosis or asthma. Yet no matter what they do the hooting and wheezing don't go away.
Yes, it might not be heart issues but a simple course of heart meds will rule heart issues out or confirm them at very little risk to the pig. The other option is keep trying AB after AB (probably the same degree of risk to the pig as heart meds) until the vet decides it must be asthma or allergies.
I didnt know that about heart rates - I cant work out the need for it in the wild, being as no-one in the wild would be listening to their pulse?
Today we had one very minor episode, only about ten mintues long of hooting and no wheezing, and after he did twenty minutes of zoomies! I'm on the lookout for the next episode though.
It's nothing to do with listening to pulses in the wild. A sick animal in a herd gets picked off by predators therefore it is in the best interest of a herd (prey)animal to appear as healthy as possible. They have the ability to "fake health" in times of stress - for awhile. But they can't do it forever.
I know from previous experience as well, that we were actually very lucky that there were clinical signs with Gwenny and we have been able to get her on treatment without too much hassle - it took a long time for it to be recognised but at least we got there with her. My past sow Tuppy, I am absolutely positive she was a heart pig, but because her heart sounded fine on stethoscope, the vets and CCT were not willing to investigate further or run a trial of heart meds.
I very much regret not being able to give Tuppence that chance, so if you can find a vet willing to have Tesla on a trial of heart meds, liland, then please do.
pinta, thank you again for your advice with regards to my Gwenny pig, I shall update this thread soon with her response to the Vetmedin.
Local vet asked me to weigh her every other day, keep notes on food intact and activity, and to try to video the next time she makes the hooting noises. I will also reread all the info here so I can be aware and informed.
It's a shame the septrin didnt work, but I'm glad my badgering finally got me some fortekor, which everyone with heart guineas seems to have. Here's hoping for some improvement!
I realise the flagyl is supposed to be antiparasitic, I think my vet is getting a bit worried that the baytril and septrin didnt work, so is just trying anything she has. I checked it wasnt on the dangerous meds list, but am not expecting much from it.
Why the Metacam? Does he have a pain issue?
I would be concerned at throwing 3 new meds at him at once. If he has a poor reaction - you won't know which med is the culprit. If he has a remakable improvement - same thing. If he is maintaining well and not going downhill, I would do one med at a time staring with the fortekor. But I am not a vet and this advice is based only on prior personal experiences.
I am hopeful he can finally start to heal.
At that time, I lost my pig Skipper who was housed with Izabo and Izabo began losing weight. So I put Duckie in with Izabo since she was such a tiny thing and I knew Izabo would accept a baby. She did and the two lived quite happily together. Duckie always remained tiny at 1 lb, 8 oz.
On 2-14-11 (1 year and 10 months old), Duckie began sitting fluffed up in the cage. I wasn't too concerned as she often had bouts of what I though were gassiness and she would be fine the next day if I withheld veggies for a day. When she was still fluffed up the next day, I took her out to weigh her and was shocked when she did not run from my hands. She also did not struggle or try and bite me (her usual behavior). Her weight was down 3 ounces so I immediately started syringe feeding her Critical Care and water. The only two cavy knowledgable vets were unavailable so I made an appointment for the following morning.
By 10 in the evening, dispite syringe feeding, her condition deteriorated. She appeared to be activily dying and I decided to take her in to be pts so she wouldn't suffer. The vet listened to her heart when we arrived and said she had a severe heart murmur and other unnatural heart sounds indicative of severe congestive heart failure. I was shocked as she has NEVER shown any symptoms of being a heart pig. Other than being tiny, she has always been super active, happy and loving to eat. Had I known, we could have put her on heart meds. Unfortunately, the vet informed me that it would take a few days to get in some heart meds. Neither of us felt she would live out the night without them, so we went ahead and had her pts. RIP little Duckie.
As Conway got bigger and Buddy seemed to get smaller I began to suspect heart issues. I put Buddy on a trial of Fortekor and he immediately began to put on weight. I added vetmedin and the weight gain increased. He got big enough to beat the crap out of his oversized "brother"Conway. Typical of bullies put in their place,Conway is now well behaved and not bothering anyone. This is a pig who spent hours in solitary in a cat carrying case for harassing whoever crossed his path.
So what I want is:
1 - breed, age and sex of pig
2 - brief description of symptoms that made you suspect heart problems
3 - diagnostics done and the results
4 - treatment, med and dosage
5 - results of treatment
6 - other med issues
1. Coronet, 4 this month, Female
2. A hooting sound, a swollen hind foot, a pea eye and laying around like a flat pancake. The hooting really summed everything up though.
3. It took me ages to find a vet who took me seriously, and even then I had to go twice. He done two x-rays and an ultrasound. The results showed an enlarged heart with fluid.
4. Frusemide (fruscol) for the fluid, Fortekor to help the heart not work so hard.
5. It has it's up and downs, some days she in on minimum dose, sometimes (like now) she is having to have a very high dose to reduce fluid.
6. She had severe cysts (now spayed) and is blinde, most likely due to cysts. She has had a urine infection before.
Feel for the shoulder blade and the top rib. In-between those sites (you'll feel a dip), with the fingers held together, gently but firmly, tap with the force you would use when typing, for example. Hold your other hand cupped along the opposite side of the pig to steady the body.
Frequency should be about 2 taps per second. Do this for about two minutes, longer if the pig will allow, on BOTH sides. Wait five minutes or so, then repeat the whole procedure again.
Carry out this procedure three or four times a day. The pig may cough afterwards, no fear, it's coughing up fluid and will feel better for it. The more you can do this, the quicker the fluid will leave the lungs and your pig will be grateful for the disturbance.
This is done in conjunction with the use of Diuretics.
Keep doing the coupaging therapy until your piggie is clear and Diuretic therapy will be less too.