On and off diarrhea for my one year old-please help!! please

Momof4littlepigs

Post   » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:00 pm


My little guys Sonic just turned a year old yesterday, but in June he had a very loud clicking breathing sound, I rushed him to emergency right away, didn’t wait and it turned out he had bacterial pneumonia, The vet put him on Baytril and told me to come back for a check-up in 2 weeks. When I went back the pneumonia had not cleared up as much as they would have liked, he told me to keep him on the Baytril and also gave me doxycycline.

Shortly after that he developed really loose stools. I brought him back to emergency because I was afraid of it turning into diarrhea. They referred me to a place in NYC that specialized in exotics. I took him there and they felt he had an antibiotic intolerance . They told me not to give him anymore of the baytril and doxycycline, they gave him an antibiotic shot for the pneumonia and gave me a probiotic and metacam ( he seemed to whine when he was making-hence them metacam).

I brought him home and gave him the pro biotic and metacam and gave him just the pellets and hay. He seemed to be doing better, his poops were turning into forms and hardening up. Once they got harder I gave him a very small amount of greens back into his diet and all was well. I then did it again and he was fine.
Then all of a sudden he had this onset of diarrhea it was the consistency of baby food and seemed to just be oozing out of him. It also had a really bad odor to it. I brought him back to the place in NYC. They gave me Flagyl and told me to use that with the metacam and they also did blood work to see if there was maybe another underlying cause. His blood work came back perfect!
After giving him the flagyl and metacam his poop was next to perfect. To this point I had not introduced and veggies or fruits back into his diet. For a little while he seemed to be doing ok. Now all of a sudden we are back to diarrhea again!

I had tried .1cc of Childrens Imodium AD, poop soup made of his brothers poop, some critical care and a little probiotic, he is eating hay and pellets regularly. I don’t get it! I am so frustrated, I feel like I am failing him. I give him a bath every day to keep him clean and prevent a possible UTI (he gets the stools stuck to his feet and behind). Does anyone have any advice? This baby has been going to drs and has had syringes in his mouth and medicines for nearly 3 months now. I would move mountains for him if I had to……I am desperate for answers and how I can help stop this.
Side note: All 4 of my piggies get syringe liquid vitamin c, they eat fresh organic (whenever possible) fruits & veggies. I also give them Oxbow Organic Pellets along with Oxbow Timothy hay and sometimes orchard grass mixed in.
Is this a food related diarrhea? Something else? Thank you for any and all help!

He is otherwise seemingly healthy, running around, has an appetite, when I feed his older brothers their greens and veggies he wants them too, he has all the signs of a normal perfectly healthy pig aside from this diarrhea issue. ...oh and he drinks a lot of water some times...a lot..

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PinkRufus
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Post   » Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:52 pm


"...they gave him an antibiotic shot for the pneumonia..."

Do you know which antibiotic was in the shot?

I would continue to give the probiotics daily. Also hold off on veggies until he gets better, then introduce them one at a time and very slowly to see if anything in particular is bothering him. I have used the Oxbow organic guinea pig pellets before (for one year). No diarrhea in my guys , but there are some unusual ingredients, so you may want to experiment with switching to a different pellet to see if that makes any difference.

Did your vet do a culture on a stool sample?

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gvstate01

Post   » Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:06 am


What veggies are you giving him specifically? Are you giving fruit everyday? Some fruits and veggies can cause diarrhea. And do you give him a full bath with shampoo, or just a shallow water bath to clean his tummy/butt (without shampoo)? I would go with the latter since a full bath everyday can leave his skin dry. If the veggies you're giving him are fine, I have no clue why the diarrhea :( Ditto with PR to stay on hay and pellets and feed one veggie a day to see if he develops any diarrhea.

Stool sample is a good idea too. Good luck with Sonic :)

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:29 am


I'm so sorry about your little guy. Have you read gl/diarrhea.html ? It has some extra tips.

Some pigs have problems with particular vegetables. This sounds like an extreme reaction though so it only may help when you start reintroducing vegs when he is hopefully better.

I am sure you know how devastating diarrhea can be. I would get some subcutaneous fluids too.

Momof4littlepigs

Post   » Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:43 am


Thank you for your responses! Very helpful. I have not been giving him any fruits or vegetables at all, but when I did reintroduce the veggies after the battle of diarrhea I gave him a little Kale. I feel so bad too because I can see he really wants to eat and when my other guys get their little assorted salad bowls he wheeks, and jumps around and seems to get down when he realizes its not for him :-(

I just went through his med records and the anitbiotic shot he was given is called Vibramycin injection 500g.

I am going to get the Oxbow adult pellets I was originally feeding them and start reintroducing those back in his diet and see what happens, because come to think of it all around the same time this has been going on is when I put them all on the organic. I switched them over from the regular to the organic, so I wonder if it is the pellets!! My vet did do stool culture and it came back fine, no parasites or anything. Just like the blood work, perfect.

As for bathing him, it depends, I usually try to just use a little warm or room temperature water, but if he seems to have have had a bad night, afternoon,morning and it is really bad, I will use a drop of gentle all natural soap to help remove it. My fear is him getting a UTI on top of all this if he is dirty.

Thanks so much for your suggestions and I will keep at it.

Momof4littlepigs

Post   » Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:45 pm


what about those wet tail drops they sell in stores? do those help?

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:43 pm


Please keep all comments about this pig to one thread. I'm closing the other one you made.

Here is what I posted on the other thread in regards to giving "Oasis Wet Tail Drops" to guinea pigs:

"Likely [they are harmful]. Most of them have neomycin, don't they? It's not a good antibiotic for cavies."

Additionally, it does sound like the antibiotics could be upsetting the GI flora. Also, doing a fecal to rule out intestinal parasites may be helpful, since those will wax and wane with diarrhea.

As far as supportive care, I feel the best product to give with any diarrhea is Bio-sponge that comes in a paste. The info is sure to be with the stuff on the diarrhea page. It is fairly easily obtained if you can find it (doesn't require a prescription as it is OTC supplement), is really benign (no problems with giving it and causing more problems), and is relatively inexpensive (you should pay $10-20 for a tube that will last a cavy quite some time). Additionally, it is often recommended in animals that have routine GI problems with diarrhea, so long-term use is also not a problem.

Momof4littlepigs

Post   » Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:59 pm


My apologies, I am new to this forum and didn't realize that rule until after the fact. Then didn't know how to delete it. I am a panic stricken mom.

I am waiting for my dr. in NYC (they specialize in exotics, that is all they see) to call me back, they may consider doing another round of the flagyl. However, the bio sponge sounds good and I will bring that up to my dr as well. Thank you for the help. I have just been so desperate and trying everything we have been back and forth to emergency as well. Everyone seems to be baffled by this.

He has had a stool culture and blood work all came back perfect. I have also taken him off all fruits and veggies for now and last night he tried to knock down the divider in between him and his cage mate to get at his greens. That was heartbreaking to see! But I know that I cannot give in because I feel bad because that will only make matters worse.

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:05 pm


You can do the Biosponge AND the Flagyl (metronidazole) at the same time.

The "one thread per pig" rule actually makes it much easier for people to follow what is going on. And keeping all the comments together does, too.

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gvstate01

Post   » Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:09 pm


You can find bio sponge here http://www.this-little-piggie-marketplace.com/2006/04/health_02.html . It'll take you to Amazon and is pretty cheap :)

Momof4littlepigs

Post   » Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:22 pm


Thank you all so much for the help. I am getting another course of the Flagyl today along with Metacam and I will get the bio sponge.

Interesting the doctor I spoke to today is not the normal one for Sonic but another one at the same place and she never heard of bio sponge.....

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PinkRufus
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Post   » Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:29 pm


Bio-Sponge is an equine product. Since guinea pigs have a digestive system similar to a horse it works for them too.

Momof4littlepigs

Post   » Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:22 pm


I just have one more question about which Bio Sponge is best to buy, I was looking at this one http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0016CN0HQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A2701FG002WN6Z, they also have the pre-filled syringes. I want to make sure I get enough and the right one! :-) Thanks

Momof4littlepigs

Post   » Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:26 pm


Never mind I see that the link I listed above is no longer available, so I will get the one that gvstate01 posted from This little pig marketplace. Thank you all!

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gvstate01

Post   » Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:28 pm


You're welcome :) The one I posted I believe is the pre-filled syringe. The picture doesn't match on Amazon, I don't know why

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:22 pm


Yes, be very careful you are getting the syringed paste. It is available as a paste, powder, and large gelcaps of the powder. Interestingly, it is also a HUMAN supplement and the company makes a human-quality (approved) caplet. And I have even taken it. And tasted the paste. It tastes horrible! It works really well for my dog who has intermittant stress diarrhea. I buy the caplets for him, since getting the amount of paste a dog needs down him/her can be a challenge due to the dirt-like taste (it IS clay).

The vet may not have heard of the plain Biosponge product before, but there are many similar products on the market. I like the Biosponge since it is PLAIN without added flavors, etc. Diarsanyl is similar as is the other paste ... Proviable (which comes as a kit with a probiotic capsule as well as an anti-diarrheal paste).

The clay itself is di-tri-octrahedral smectite.

Momof4littlepigs

Post   » Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:24 pm


Ok, Sonic is back on the flagyl and the metacam and thus far there is no improvement, he only went back on it yesterday but with the last round of flagyl and metacam I saw almost an immediate improvement.

I am going to use the bio-sponge as well as soon as it gets here.

He is dying for some regular food (veggies etc) I actually have to take him out of the room when I feed the other pigs because he gets so crazy. I gave him a little banana today is that ok? I do not want my feeling bad for him causing him any more anguish.

Also, should I not give him everything else? I am afraid of over doing it with the meds, poop soup probiotics etcetc....Aside from the metacam & flagyl I gave him some probiotics in liquid vitamin c today and he has his constant supply of hay and pellets, which I also went back to the original Oxbow formula ( I have been mixing it in with the organic formula to help the transition)

What a mess, I have been cleaning him and his cage non stop...it just won't quit. It still hasn't gotten to the point of a liquid, it has been consistently like a baby food consistency, but it doesn't seems to let up.

To be honest I am shocked that this baby has been having issues since July and he is still kicking, full of energy popcorning the works! I am scared out of my mind hoping for the best and expecting the worst, but I am trying everything to help him make it through this.

Thank you all again so much for your help! So glad to know I am not alone and I have you all to turn to! :-)

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gvstate01

Post   » Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:27 pm


I'm only taking a shot in the dark here, but wanted to suggest at least something to help your little guy. In your first post it seems as though he developed loose stools after being on Baytril. There is something called "antibiotic associated diarrhea" that disrupts the normal gut flora and causes loose stools/diarrhea. http://www.guinealynx.info/diarrhea.html#antibiotic

Now, I don't know why he still has it after this long of time. However, if his gut flora never returned to normal, that may be it. Are you getting a poop for the poop soup from a healthy guinea pig? If that isn't working, I would try acidophilis tablets, or have you tried this route yet? If you haven't, make sure it doesn't contain lactose (I believe Nature's Bounty has this option). Sometimes the poop soup just doesn't work. It seems as though since his poop and blood came back normal that it looks as though it's an imbalance of his gut flora. I would try this before the bio-sponge, imo. I know you're trying everything, best wishes :)

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:56 pm


Personally, I have MUCH more faith the Bio-sponge will restore the proper GI flora than acidophilus. I really don't think it does much, if anything, if it even survives the stomach.

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gvstate01

Post   » Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:45 pm


So is Bio-Sponge a probiotic? I thought it just coated the stomach/GI? After reading the description on GL I still wasn't sure exactly what it was.

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