Topaz's Zoey

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Topaz

Post   » Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:03 pm


I've just brought our new family member, Zoey, home. She is a 4 year old, beautiful blonde American girl. And she looks big! I think her mom said she's close to 3 lbs. I will weigh her in a day or two.

She looks healthy as can be but I've got a couple of questions/concerns.

Her poops are very big in diameter. I don't think they are really any longer than my other girl's poops, just much much fatter. They also look a little oddly shaped. Not quite so uniform, one end looks a little different than the other.

I'm wondering if having bigger poops is "normal" for some pigs or if it could indicate some kind of problem?

I also noticed that on her back, right foot, her outside toe juts out from the others quite a bit. The nail is also longer on that toe.

I'll try to get pictures of both issues when I can get a better look at her. These were only quick assessments. I'm not going to mess with her too much until she gets settled in.

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tiggyswift

Post   » Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:16 pm


Did you ask her mom if the large poops are normal for her? As for her toe, maybe it is a deformity or an old injury? One of my boars has a toe deformity on both of his front feet, the same toe on both feet are curved and the nails on those toes grow to the side. I got him when he was about 2 -3 months old and his toes have always been like that, I am not sure why.

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Catie Cavy
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Post   » Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:36 pm


Just guessing, but could the poops be a result of a change in diet? Did she eat any new fruits or vegetables with you that she wasn't used to eating?

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angiemthomas

Post   » Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:51 am


One of my piggies (out of 5) has enormous poops. Always has. I always know what poops belong to "Little Guy" because they look like the Goodyear blimp.

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Topaz

Post   » Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:51 pm


I spoke to Zoey's previous owner and she says she's always had big poops. I've heard males have bigger poops but have never seen such big ones on any of my other females so it was a little alarming.

As for the toe, she said her vet thought the nail was maybe cut too short while Zoey very little and still in the pet store. So, she says it's always been this way. It doesn't seem to bother her so I'm not concerned.

As far as poops go, today I am a bit more concerned about that. I felt better after talking to her previous owner and hearing that they've always been big, but now they've become much looser over night and I even had to do a foot bath as she was getting poop shoes. I don't know if this is a potential problem or if it could be due to all of the stress she's been through yesterday and today.

Her mom says there has been no problem with loose poops. I will give her a day or two, cut back on greens a bit and anything like cucumbers or fruit, and hopefully the mushy poo is because she's still scared and not eating normally.

By that I mean that she's not been eating much hay. At all. I keep shoving it up near her hidey, trying different kinds, but have not seen her eat any of it. She is eating pellets, but no hay. She's also not drinking much. Maybe scared to come out and go to the water bottle?

I have just given her a few greens sprinkled with probiotics and will check on her in a bit and see if she's eaten them.

It's almost as if she's reverting or something. Later in the day yesterday she seemed to be coming out of her shell. Now she seems to be scared and is hiding a lot again.

Also, another concern is her weight. I was told that she was a big girl and nearly three pounds. She looks big to me but when I weighed her today, she was only 2 lbs. 2.4 ounces. I again spoke to her previous owner and she said a month or so ago, Zoey was at around 2 lbs. 8 oz. That's a substantial loss.

Lots to consider here. Big change for her with losing her friend, big change with coming here. I don't know. Time will tell I guess but if things are not looking better with the soft poop and not eating hay, I'll get her into the vet's first thing next week. The drinking too. I am giving her very wet greens though.

Is it possible that loose poops could be caused by not enough hay and stress/change?

Catie Cavy, no, no new foods.

dmppiggie

Post   » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:28 pm


Dottie has monster poops! It's kind of sad I can look around the cage and know how each if them are . . . Uh . . . doing . . . just by their poops!

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:55 pm


I would start weighing daily now if you haven't already decided to do so. It might pay to have her teeth checked (perhaps you can check them yourself).

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Topaz

Post   » Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:05 pm


I will definitely weigh daily. I didn't get a look at her back teeth, but I did check her front teeth today and they look good. Nice and even and not overly long. That was my first thought as well with the not eating hay, Lynx.

I may have been jumping the gun a little. Her poops are firming up a bit, she's been nibbling on hay(the pile in front of her has really dwindled), she is eating pellets, about a quarter of her water is gone, and this afternoon she ate the green leaf and chicory/endive I gave her sprinkled with probiotics.

I am hopefully optimistic. I should probably try to chill a little and stop posting on here so much(and contacting her previous owner with 50 million questions, the poor girl). I think I'm being a little paranoid, but in my defense, I've never had a pig not eat hay and it's been YEARS since I've dealt with loose poos. One of my first pigs had issues with that continually.

But again, happy to say that Zoey's poos are looking a little firmer.

I will continue to go easy on the veggies, I'll only give red leaf, green leaf, escarole, and endive for now in smallish amounts(no peppers, cucumbers, etc...and obviously no fruit either), and I'll keep sprinkling the probiotic on those. If things look good in a couple of days, I'll start reintroducing a small amount of pepper, then maybe cucumber...later on fruit. One at a time to see how she does.

And of course I will just keep shoving hay right in her face wherever she happens to be. I am starting to think that her refusal to eat hay(and resulting diarrhea) could have been due to stress from the long car ride and being in a new place.

We'll see!

Ddmppiggie, there will be NO mistaking this girls poos if/when I put her in with my girls!

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Catie Cavy
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Post   » Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:09 am


Part of the weight loss, although probably not all, could be due to a difference in scales. The important thing now is that you are weighing her daily on the same scale.

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Topaz

Post   » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:10 pm


True.

Today she was down one ounce. I'll continue weighing.

She is eating better, more hay and still loving her pellets and greens. Things are looking better. Poops are MUCH better. But she was SOOO quiet last night.

When I first got my Diamond(who also stayed in my bedroom for a week or two), I could hear her puttering around the cage at night. She would drink, munch hay, etc. This girl is so quiet. I think she would prefer to just stay under her hidey.

Therefore, I removed it for a couple of hours today, to get her to putter around the cage a bit. And it worked. She munched hay, went in her cuddle cup for a while, and drank some water. I'm going to do this each day for a little while just to give her a little push, so to speak.

I think this girl just needs to become a part of my herd. I think it would do her a world of good. I'm sure she misses her friend terribly. But I won't do that until I am 100% sure that she is healthy.

I wanna do it NOW!!! Geez, the waiting is the hardest part. Now I'm thinking of the Tom Petty song...

Talishan
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Post   » Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:07 pm


In the meantime, can she see/hear/smell your girls? She knows there are other pigs in the house?

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Topaz

Post   » Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:52 am


No, she's upstairs in my bedroom and my other girls are downstairs. I want to make sure she is healthy before having her around the others. Her cage mate died unexpectedly so I'm a little nervous that she could have contracted something.

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Topaz

Post   » Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:16 pm


So, just want to do a little update for my benefit as well as anyone else doing the same...

Zoey is doing well! She is still upstairs in my room. It has been one week and three days. Her weight is maintaining at 2 lbs. 1-2 oz.

Her poops have finally firmed up. They also look much smaller and "normal" sized, similar to my other girl's now. I have no idea why they were so short and fat early on. They are no longer HUGE!

I have not been giving her anything but red leaf, green leaf, escarole, and chickory/endive. No peppers, cukes, or fruit of any kind. I'm kind of scared to introduce them back because one day when she had peppers, her poops looked loose again....but I will do so one at a time within the next couple of days so I can get a feel for what she can and cannot tolerate. I do hope she can tolerate the occasional pepper, cucumber, etc. as my girls like these mixed in with their greens. That would be hard if she couldn't have them when she is in with Goldie and Latte. How would I do that???

She is getting much more active and comfortable in her new surroundings here. I hear her puttering around the cage at night, drinking her water, eating pellets, and she is now devouring her 3rd cut timothy(I just ordered more). Her greens are also gone in about 10 minutes when I give them in the afternoon.

She's still a bit skittish and I'm thinking she's more like my Goldie in being a scaredy pig. Definitely not like my bold and feisty Latte, but I guess you never know once she gets in with the group. And that may work out for the best with Latte being so bossy. I don't think Latte could handle another pig with her attitude, which is why her and Goldie are getting along so well.

I am going to be moving Zoey's cage downstairs either tonight, or tomorrow. I would like her to have at least a week of getting used to the noises and smells of downstairs, MUCH different than the upstairs noises and smells she's been getting used to!

Down here there are kids, dogs, phones, food cooking, etc. She's been in somewhat of a sheltered area in my bedroom for the past week and three days.

If all looks good with the poops and whatnot, I will introduce her to my girls in about a week. *gulp* SCARED!

*fingers SOOOOO crossed* that it all works out!

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DMac
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Post   » Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:33 pm


Here's hoping they all love each other and become bffs!

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Topaz

Post   » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:37 am


Thank you!

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Topaz

Post   » Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:06 pm


Zoey is doing well. She's eating lots of hay, pellets, greens, and is now drinking water like she should be.

The only thing that concerns me is her poos. They are still a bit mushy. Mushy enough to stick to her feet and to need bathing off.

I've been giving only greens; red leaf, green leaf, escarole, endive, frissee, and baby romaine. When I do this, they seem to get a bit better but still not as firm as my other girl's.

The other day, I reintroduced green pepper(a VERY small amount) in with her afternoon greens. Within hours, her poops were looser again.

So then, I stopped with the pepper. She has no other vegetables other than the leaf lettuces and still her poos are not right.

It's definitely not diarrhea, just sticky and softer than normal poops. And they are very smelly. When I approach her cage, I smell them immediately. Whereas if I am puttering about in Latte and Goldie's cage, there is hardly any smell.

I think a vet visit is in order. I need to find out if there is something causing the stinky soft poops, or if Zoey is just sensitive to veggies. I almost hope there is a treatable cause because if she can't have veggies and continues to have soft poops, I am very hesitant to put her in with my other girls. It will be a mess. They want(and deserve) their greens...but I can't give them to Zoey. She has soft poops, and then everyone has poop shoes that I have to bathe off constantly...ugh. Not what I am wanting.

Other than this issue, she seems very healthy. She has bright, clear eyes. No nasal discharge. Her weight is maintaining at 2 lbs. 2 oz. She's started to become feisty and has been wheeking for her greens, which I love to see. She is really a very normal girl, except for the poops.

So anyway, my question is, what should I have the vet do and look for when I go in this week?

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Bytxlaura
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Post   » Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:52 pm


I would ask for a culture to be done.

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Topaz

Post   » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:07 pm


Yes, I was going to ask for a fecal but then isn't there something else?

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:54 pm


The stinky poops, are they greener? The may be the caecal pellets that pigs reingest for more nutrients (the ones I have seen are pale green and smelly). I think of odor as bacteria if they are otherwise normal looking poops. Maybe worth adding some probiotics?

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Topaz

Post   » Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:13 pm


I have been adding them, Lynx. I have been adding probiotics to her afternoon veggies, cutting out peppers, cucumbers, anything other than leafy greens...no fruits. I just don't know what to do here anymore...that's why I am thinking vet. Nothing I do seems to help.

Poops are still sticky, softer than they should be, and stinky.

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