TTIP anyone?

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pig party

Post   » Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:47 am


I seem to have been hearing this acronym banded about with increasing ferocity lately.

TTIP -Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership

This is a brief summary of what it is -
www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-re ... 9779688.html

Sorry, its from a British rather than US perspective, but it gets the general point across. Does anyone else know anything about this?

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:14 am


Absolutely! [edit - I see I am thinking of something else, the TTP but they are all related]

Some articles on all these deals:
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121967/whats-really-going-trade-services-agreement

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/10/1400847/-Disappoint ... y-Even-Worse

I don't think we would know much of anything if it were not for WikiLeaks:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/07/04/1399083/-Wikileaks- ... l-in-History

Having past Fast Track, we are in deep trouble:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/29/1397584/-fast-track ... me-this-year

This all seems like a huge way of having the people with money make more money and do more damage to our earth.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/16/1393867/-TPP-TTIP-World-News-Round-Up

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/12/1392626/-TPP-TTIP-and-what-really-matters

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/10/1392027/-TPP-Worse-Than-We-Thought

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:22 am


If everyone everywhere knew what was really happening, their voices would kill this. It is not good for anyone but the big corporations and people with money.

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pig party

Post   » Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:30 am


Thank you so much for the links, Lynx. I shall be having a proper read over them.

It was an acronym that was used in a documentary I was watching about something else, otherwise I would never have heard of it. Flying under the radar well. Too well?

Since then it has cropped up a few times and never with a positive light shed on it either. I am thinking it must be a really terrible plan as I have yet to hear anyone actually come out in its defense. And for some reason that alarms me all the more....

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:57 am


It is a complex issue. But enough people are speaking out that we are getting an idea of how raw a deal this is for us all.

Your article hit on some of the sore points. There are more! And such frustration seeing our governing bodies go along with this!!

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pig party

Post   » Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:41 am


I believe the Australian Government will be/are being sued over cigarrette packaging? I haven't looked into this yet.

Anyone from down under to shed some light?

In the meantime I am starting here -

www.thejournal.ie/readme/ttip-corporations-sue-governments-2076780-Apr2015

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:27 am


"...the TTIP agenda has been rigged in favour of the most powerful corporations at the expense of the public good."

And how devastating this will be! Your article highlights suits happening now between companies and governments (plain packaging for cigarettes vs. just say no by manufacturers).

It will only get worse.

Linked to from your article, also worth a read:
http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/eu-us-free-trade-1881566-Jan2015/
http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/transatlantic-trade-and-inve ... 475-Dec2014/

SardonicSmile

Post   » Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:30 am


This monstrosity should be killed.

Negotiations are done in secret and this is not in the interest of the people, just big corporations.

There is this one stipulation that allows the US to sue if a country changes laws so that it aversely affect export from the US.
And this sueing is not done in a regular court of law but some stupid tribunal thingy.
As far as I know Europe has said no to this stipulation, but the change they suggested isn't much better, still outside regular court of laws.

There are way too many differences between the US and Europe for this to work in anyone's best interest, unless you are already rich.

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pig party

Post   » Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:55 am


Wow. This is a monster. Bigger and uglier than I had anticipated. It needs chasing off with sticks. Bloody big sticks. With sharp pointy things affixed. And pronto!

This bit scares particularly alarms me -

'The anti-slavery amendment that Senator Menendez almost accidently slipped in, is now being watered down so that Malaysia won't be excluded from the trade agreements.'

So, given this is bad, unbelievably bad, now I have two questions.

1.What are the practical ways to put a stop to this?

2. Which nutjob is behind all this? Sure there are discussions, negotiations and deliberations going on by world leaders now, but someone, someone, actually gave birth to this as an concept. Surely they must be found before they are allowed to 'breed' again??

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:53 am


I think big money and big business are behind this.

And SardonicSmile, we equally find offensive the secret tribunals! If some state mandates something that is "anti-business", they can be sued!

SkittleandTwix
Supporter in '11

Post   » Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:19 pm


Of course, by giving corporations the right to sue countries, we are giving corporations the ultimate power to decide policy and taking policy decisions away from elected governments. I don't see how this won't destroy democracy. Corporations will have all the money and power and there won't be a thing in the world countries, states and communities can do to avoid being run over by them. Your vote will matter only on subjects corporations don't care about.

When dd we change from thinking government was suppose to protect and empower people to thinking its only job was protecting business? How did we get here?

bpatters
And got the T-shirt

Post   » Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:25 pm


We got here because most everyone in Congress has been bought and paid for. And it's even worse with the Citizens United decision.

As far as democracy getting destroyed, I think we're already past that. Unless there's some big bipartisan revolution against big money running this country, we're totally screwed.

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:37 pm


Doctors without borders is against TPP:

http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/article/statement-msf-conclusion-tpp-negotiations-atlanta

It will raise drug prices and endanger health.

""Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) expresses its dismay that TPP countries have agreed to United States government and multinational drug company demands that will raise the price of medicines for millions by unnecessarily extending monopolies and further delaying price-lowering generic competition. The big losers in the TPP are patients and treatment providers in developing countries. Although the text has improved over the initial demands, the TPP will still go down in history as the worst trade agreement for access to medicines in developing countries, which will be forced to change their laws to incorporate abusive intellectual property protections for pharmaceutical companies."

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:21 pm


There are strong beliefs that TPP will be shoved through the legislature during the lame duck session. A little of Fox and lots of PBS coverage but the major networks are saying nothing.

To refresh anyone's mind concerning how terrible this would be (oh, Obama, what have you wrought!):
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/7/16/1548975/-The-TPP-i ... t-be-stopped

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Jul 23, 2016 9:54 pm


There is a great uprising set to launch to stop the toxic TPP trade deal: Rock Against the TPP -- Musicians and celebrities unite against it.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/7/21/1550610/-Rock-Agai ... c-trade-deal

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snowflakey
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Post   » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:26 am


I do think more people (globally) are aware of how awful this is, and that action like anti-KXL activism could help turn the tide.

SardonicSmile

Post   » Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:52 pm


Not TTIP but its little brother CETA (Canadian version of TTIP) was almost okayed, but one Belgian province said NO!

The Canadian negotiator went home...

I seriously hope the Wallonians will stick with their no and tank this whole CETA thing.

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tashab

Post   » Fri Oct 21, 2016 9:25 pm


It looks like CETA may fail completely. It looks like the Canadian team went into it with the approach of the EU speaking for each individual country, not realizing how much say the individual countries of the EU have on this matter.
The EU acted like they had all the say when talking to Canada, even though they didn't/don't.
Canada needs to broaden trade deals so we're not so reliant on the USA, but the way things are negotiated leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Corporations should be given the power to invalidate local laws for their own profit.

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Oct 21, 2016 10:48 pm


I think you meant to say they shouldn't be given the power to invalidate local laws for their own profit?

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tashab

Post   » Sat Oct 22, 2016 10:27 am


Oops. You're right, Lynx. There should be a 'not' in there. Duly elected governments should be over corporations.

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