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Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:09 am


From The Guardian:

'Fearful' national security officials prepare for major shift in US policy

Officials in the US military and intelligence services contemplate internal resistance or a career change ahead of Donald Trump taking office

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/11/national-security-shift-us-policy-trump-presidency



Claims of hate crimes possibly linked to Trump's election reported across the US

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/10/hate-crime-spike-us-donald-trump-president

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Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:24 am


From The Independent:

Donald Trump's foreign policy 'almost exactly the same as Putin', Kremlin says

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election ... 7410631.html



Key battleground states that voted for Donald Trump had turnout suppressed by local laws, experts say

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election ... 7410361.html


Donald Trump blames media for 'unfair' protests against election victory as demonstrations continue across US

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election ... 7410782.html

One of the first things a dictator does to consolidate power is to silence independent media. Sorry if I sound like a scare-monger, but I'm effing scared. Gotta wonder what's going through the head of someone like Colin Powell who endorsed Hillary and is black and totally understands what's happening.

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Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:41 am


Still from The Independent - moving:

You are a gay, black columnist... is this your America?' Donald Trump's win makes reporter break down on air

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-win-wa ... 7410876.html

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Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:59 am


"Farewell, America" from Bill Moyers & Company:

http://billmoyers.com/story/farewell-america/

WICharlie

Post   » Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:19 pm


I struggled to control my tears when I heard that Trump won the election. And I am still in disbelief and...frightened for our country. I waited a while to organize my thoughts about why I feel the way I do before posting this.

I think that the problem is that Trump supporters don't get that he is not going to change because he is now the president elect. There is several things about him that are not going to change and that are going to lead to failure as a leader. First and foremost, he has no moral character. A good leader needs a strong sense of right and wrong. Trump does not have that. A good leader also has to be able to have self control. Trump has proven time again that he does not possess this quality. Case in point: He already put out an inappropriate tweet about the people who are protesting his appointment. Then he recanted it. Not because he realized HIMSELF that it was inappropriate, but because someone else pointed it out to him. But is there going to be someone who shadows him and constantly holds his hand once he's sworn in? Of course not.

I don't understand all the reasons why he decided to run for president, but I believe that he never thought he would actually win. Once he was in it, however, his giant ego would not let him back out.

Trump has spent his lifetime believing that he is the best of human beings, because everyone has fallen over themselves catering to him his whole life. He doesn't get that its his money that makes people fawn all over him. And his notoriety. This is not going to happen in the white house. People expect diplomacy. He does not know how to do this. People expect respect and common decency. Nope. Not there either.

I understand that the American people wanted change. They wanted to see something actually get done for once, instead of watching their leaders bicker and argue over issues instead of working together to get the job done. But how they ever thought that this spoiled, impulsive "businessman" could be their champion is beyond me.

I just hope that when he crashes and burns, he doesn't take the country with him. And I have two sons who are of draft age. I just hope that they don't become a casualty of his lack of diplomacy, decency, and moral character. I hope they don't come back to me in body bags because our new leader can't keep his mouth shut.

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:02 pm


Bookfan, your linked article, "Farewell, America" from Bill Moyers & Company, is heartbreaking and chilling in its prognosis.

I think a lot of us feel America has died.

Kelsie

Post   » Fri Nov 11, 2016 11:51 pm


WICharlie, I stand beside you in everything that you posted.

All of your points are so valid. And like you, I am still in shock that Donald Trump by some cruel joke managed to win this election.

I keep hoping that I'll wake up and find out that this has been just a bad dream.

I wouldn't say that I am a particularly political person, however I have always given my support to whomever was in office, but there is no way that I will ever support this man.

C Cole-Chakotay

Post   » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:53 am


Kelsie, I'm trying to take a wait and see attitude, but I doubt I will ever support Trump. He said and did too many things during his campaign.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sat Nov 12, 2016 7:48 pm


And to GPIG. Joy-Ann Reid says it so well. She hits all the issues. This is what you bought (click on videoclip):

https://egbertowillies.com/2016/11/12/joy-ann-reids-poignant-message-to-voters-who-elected-trump/

Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:23 pm


That was great - says it all.

What my sister says about the half of the Am. public who voted for Trump is that he played them like a fiddle.

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Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:49 pm


From The Atlantic:

“We probably have about 7 million votes left to count,” said David Wasserman, an editor at Cook Political Report who is tracking turnout (absentee & mail-in). “A majority of them are on the coasts, in New York, California, and Washington. She should be able to win those votes, probably 2-1.” By mid-December, when the Electoral College officially casts its ballots, Wasserman estimates that Clinton could be ahead by 2 percentage points in the popular vote.

Won't make any difference to the Electoral College.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:53 am


That is a huge amount.

Digby has a powerful post too.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2016/11/the-winners.html

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RooneysGMom

Post   » Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:20 am


Lynx, just "yes!" to that blog post by Digby.

I am trying very hard to be open minded and at least give our new president-elect a chance but deep down I know nothing good can come of this. :(



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bpatters
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Post   » Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:27 am


Folks, I have a little bit of a problem with the NMP theme.

I got so irritated at the people spouting that after Obama was elected, and thought then, "Yes, he is. Like it or not, he is your president." So I can't in good conscience sign onto a NMP movement this time just because I don't like these results. He is the president, at least until he either serves out his term, gets impeached, or implodes. I think we need to take a cue from Elizabeth Warren here -- support him when he does reasonable things that are good for the country, and oppose him with the last ounce s of breath we have when he doesn't. I just hope we have enough breath to keep us alive through what's coming.

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:31 am


For me, the NMP resonates. Enough that I added a notation a few moments ago.

I don't know if it will stick but I have a feeling, he will earn NMP on a regular basis.

I didn't vote for him. Most of us didn't. And yet he is elected.

A sad post:

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/13/1598112/-A-chilli ... t-me-shaking

Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:47 am


I do hear what you're saying bpatters. NMP is my anger & frustration overcoming me. And I'm fighting mad and there's nowhere to go with it. I had fantasies of telling all the people of color who came into the library yesterday that they are always welcome there. But can't really do that in that setting. Not meaning to leave LGBTetc. out, but I can't recognize that like the color of one's skin.

Had a real bonding experience with coworkers yesterday at work. All but 2 of them voted for Hillary & we all feel the same way - aged mid-twenties to about 80. Doesn't do anything about the situation, but it sure felt good.


Bookfan
For the Love of Pigs

Post   » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:19 pm


Sounds great, but I'd have to have my own private port-a-potty always available. Either that or drink practically nothing. Sorry, TMI - the aging body takes its toll. I'll think about it.

bpatters
And got the T-shirt

Post   » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:34 pm


I'll either do that one in Washington or the one in Austin. It just depends on whether I can get away long enough to go to Washington.

But if I can, are we going to put a GL group together?

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:42 pm


That would be cool. I was thinking about that but the difficult part is meeting. If lots of people show up, it is really hard to connect. Too many bodies. Cell phones don't work well (too many connections - this happened when I went to DC to see John Stewart - met SF there).

I would have to find group transportation up. Driving up and down in one day is hard (I would fall asleep at the wheel).

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