Intros - Hollister pigs and Fido

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Sunny

Post   » Fri Aug 09, 2002 11:08 am


I thought with all the trouble going on with the drivers of Rover, the Winnebago, everyone could use some good news about the first drop off in SLC.

My new Hollister babies, Rover and Winnie (both named after the Winnebago), are very happy in their new home. They display this happiness with endless popcorning. My husband has taken a special liking to Rover, the underdog. Fido, my 1-year old pig, is a bit bewildered.

We did our big introduction Wednesday and it couldn´t have gone any better. This was my first experience with this sort of thing, and I must say... I´m stunned, shocked, dumb with wonder. My big mean bully Fido was actually humbled by that squeaky little ear-flappin´ Winnie!

The four step introduction method:
Step 1 - Teresa´s introduction suggestion: It was so weird!! Funky animal instinct/communications stuff going on. It was freaky. We have a big stone shower so my stepson, Sean, sat on one end with Fido in his lap and I sat on the other end with the babies. We put towels on the floor between us. Of course Winnie was wheeking up a storm and Fido was all ears and sniffing the air. Fido didn´t move from Sean´s lap but soon the babes were off my lap and exploring. Winnie approached Sean and put his face right up next to Fido who was taken aback (what the hell is this??). Then Fido jumped off Sean´s lap and started to check out his new brothers. Fido and Winnie both had their hair standing on edge!! (I guess it makes them look bigger?). Fido would start chasing Rover and it was like Winnie was protecting him, he´d high-tail it after Fido and distract him from picking on Rover. Then there was growling and chasing, chasing, chasing and humping, humping, humping. Rover just tried to stay out of the way, hiding under my legs. After about 15 mins of that full-on action, Fido was exhausted and laid down. Winnie kept it up - humping his head, his side, his butt. Then when he stopped getting a reaction, he laid down beside Fido to rest. Then round two started. Round two was more of the same but the hair had laid down by then. I was more worried about Fido than I was of the babies!! It was so funny because Fido has always been such a bully. Round two lasted another 15 minutes or so.

Then we progressed to Step 2 , a suggestion from Bats: I sat on the couch, wrapped them in a towel so they couldn´t run around and held them on my chest. The idea is to get them used to being close to one another. I think I did this too soon because they were so squirmy, still wanting to sniff and explore eachother. I only did this for about 5 mins.

Step 3 - I put them in the run together. I wonder if this was the first taste of freedom for the little guys because they ran speedy little laps round and round the run, and in and out of boxes, popcorning and squealing in delight. Fido was having so much fun (Spot was always too calm to play wild with Fido). He chased them and wheeked at them. This lasted a couple hours. I plopped a chair down next to the run and brought a book to read (I just wanted to be near in case something happened) but I didn´t even pick up my book, I was so fascinated by the interaction.

The 4th and final step - I put them in the cage together. Fido had his same house, and I put a large cardboard box in for the babes to share. And Fido did the strangest thing!!! I think it was "Rumble strutting." I´ve never seen that before but read the description on Guinea Lynx. He circled their house in a slow motion swagger, stooped really low, making a low grumbling noise. I thought he might be marking the territory but the bedding didn´t get wet. Then he went back to his own house. Winnie tried to squeeze in with him but Fido pushed him out with his big butt (he does have a definite size advantage).

And that´s it, they are all friends! But I think Winnie is in charge.

He who humps last ... :-)
Last edited by Sunny on Fri Aug 09, 2002 11:19 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Sunny

Post   » Fri Aug 09, 2002 11:12 am


Here´s a photo of Rover, the black crested American, and Winnie, the cream and white ear-flappin Aby.

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SandraVE

Post   » Fri Aug 09, 2002 11:37 am


I´m so happy for you Sunny. And the piggers too.

Christal

Post   » Fri Aug 09, 2002 11:41 am


They are georgeous! Congrats on the new additions. I am very happy all went well!

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bats

Post   » Fri Aug 09, 2002 11:53 am


I´m glad it´s going well, Sunny. There will probably be squabbles still to come, particularly over houses. That´s normal.

FYI, Step 2 -- putting the pigs on your chest -- this was what I used to get Piglet to stop attacking Babe and Maaa. The floortime thing wasn´t working: Piglet was hell-bent on searching out the newcomers and attacking.

I did Step 2 with two pigs at a time, no more...
- pigs uncovered,
- holding them side-by-side, heads facing me,
- one hand on each pig,
- keeping them steady to prevent any fights from erupting,
- petting whenever that helped settle them down.

Nobody was allowed to dive under the other one or probe each others underparts.

Eventually they gave up their fussing, lay down, and relaxed next to each other.
30 minutes later I had a wet shirt and two grudging friends.
And I established who was alpha in this house (me).
:-)

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p.s. The process had to be repeated 3 or 4 times before the lesson stuck.
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Sunny

Post   » Fri Aug 09, 2002 12:06 pm


Yes, I didn´t feel I was doing it right. There was plenty of diving going on. So later I tried 5 minutes of Fido and Winnie, then 5 mins of Fido and Rover. The babes really wanted to hide so Fido ended up sitting on them. (Cute picture of Fido with Winnie´s head poking out from under him).

I guess I´m not the alpha around here. I´ll try to be a little more strict next time.

I ended up with a wet shirt too. I was surprised with all the "scenting" going on. The shower was littered with poops that I tried to keep picked up so they wouldn´t step on them during their chase.

Boy, you were right Bats, that Winnie sure screams when he´s not happy. And watching those ears flap when he wheeks is the funniest thing. New dinner party entertainment.

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Lynx
RESIST

Post   » Fri Aug 09, 2002 12:09 pm


Oh, that´s great! Do you have a really big place for them to live? I hear it helps alot. I´ll bet Fido is tickled pink to have company. Sure as heck hope they continue to get on and enjoy each other.

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Sunny

Post   » Fri Aug 09, 2002 12:12 pm


The "shower scene" was actually kind of scary. I was armed with a towel and dustpan in case I needed to separate them. There was no fur flying or open wounds so I didn´t need to separate them, but the mounting, hair-on-end, growling, biting (warning bites only), and chasing was pretty freaky.

I can see why people have a hard time with introductions.

I was shocked when Fido and Winnie rested right next to each other.

Erin8607
Knee Deep

Post   » Fri Aug 09, 2002 12:12 pm


glad to hear there is peace with all the kids! Very cute story too!

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Sunny

Post   » Fri Aug 09, 2002 12:19 pm


Lynx, they are in a 4x2 C&C cage which I´m expanding to 5x2 this weekend. I also plan to add an upper level at some point. (I didn´t want to expand before confirming they got along and could be cagemates).

They get out of the cage to run a couple hours a day. The run is made up of a 7 foot by 4 foot piece of carpet with small cages at either end for litter boxes. I´ve got cardboard boxes and PVC pipes in the run for them to explore and zip in and out of.

Fido is still shell-shocked. He comes to the end of the run with his front paws up on the edge as if he wants to be rescued, but when I pick him up he cranks his neck to look at the babes and just squeals to be put back. Funny boy. He can´t keep up with them but doesn´t want to be left out.

I truly think he´s happy with his brothers. Rover is so timid and sweet but he´s not afraid of Fido. He´ll walk right up to him and put his nose against Fido´s nose. Then turn and walk away.

God, I love those pigs!!

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Cordelia
I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Fri Aug 09, 2002 12:47 pm


This is so great to hear Sunny! Your pigs are adorable.

We are doing a quarantine until Aug 17, and will then introduce all of the girls. The 2 Hollister adopted have quite the strong personalities so I have discovered I will be buying a second house for their cage. They don´t like to be separated, but they do like their own house to lounge around in.

Trudy and Gertie are quite sweet when I hold them, they kick their front and back legs out and relax. They are so sweet.

Erin8607
Knee Deep

Post   » Fri Aug 09, 2002 12:51 pm


you all make me jealous! LOL

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SandraVE

Post   » Fri Aug 09, 2002 3:02 pm


Yes, I´m confused. Aren´t new piggies supposed to be quarrantined for 2-3 weeks before introducing them into an existing herd? I will be getting one or two from Ladyveg in a couple of weeks and thought I would have to quarrantine them first (even though I´m sure they will be healthy). Is this NOT necessary if you know where the piggers are coming from and that they were in good health before you got them?

Thanks.

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Sunny

Post   » Fri Aug 09, 2002 3:02 pm


Cordelia - what progress!! I think kicking the legs out to relax is a huge statement of trust. Congratulations!!

Rover and Winnie haven´t come close to being that relaxed with me.

Do you know how old Trudy and Gertie are? Bats estimated my boys were about 4 weeks.

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Cordelia
I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Fri Aug 09, 2002 3:41 pm


I believe Becky said 4-6 weeks old. I was surprised that they are so relaxed. Held them for about 45 minutes straight. I am just waiting for them to yawn, there is nothing sweeter than a guinea pig yawning-total relaxation.

I was a bit worried about the Hollister adopted getting a URI or something on the road trip out here-that´s why I am quarantining. They both seem quite healthy. I also have 3 pigs, so no pig is lonely during quarantine, whereas Sunny had one lone pig. I would ask Ladyveg her thoughts on quarantine of your new additions. By the way, congrats on your adoption(s) SandraVE!

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Sunny

Post   » Fri Aug 09, 2002 4:22 pm


I agree about the piggy yawning. It´s the best!

Congrats SandraVE! LadyVeg has some cuties!! Which ones are you getting? I agree with Cordelia, ask LadyVeg if she thinks quarantining is necessary.

I got opinions from Becky and pigpal and they thought that because our pigs both had vet visits and had ivermec (sp?) treatments while at the shelter, they had satisfied the quarantine period. Cordelia is using the safer, less-risky method.

pinta

Post   » Fri Aug 09, 2002 4:55 pm


Hmmph. I told you Fido was getting a bum rap.

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Sunny

Post   » Fri Aug 09, 2002 6:51 pm


Ha! Pinta, you didn´t see him terrorize Spot!

Spot was an easy target but Winnie won´t put up with it. Plus Winnie and Rover are small enough and quick enough to escape his clutches.

:-)

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SandraVE

Post   » Fri Aug 09, 2002 10:55 pm


Ladyveg is holding Dongwa for me. He will be a cagemate/buddy for my Frosty. I would also like to have another female - hopefully one from Hollister. I currently have 2 females, a 2yr. old bossy big pig Moki, and a mellow 5 year old Cocoa. I need to get one that will get along with both females. Probably another mellow pig would be best.

Before I knew about quarantine, both times I introduced new pigs, they got lice. Not a pleasant addition. Well the pigs were great, the lice - yuk.

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Jill

Post   » Sat Aug 10, 2002 10:15 am


Oh Sunny, I´m so happy for you. You must be having a ball watching those pigs. The new babies are adorable, it would be so funny to see Winnie´s ears flap.

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