Are we pregnant?

Julian
I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Tue Oct 08, 2002 8:36 pm


Spend one day volunteering at a shelter with the homeless pigs and breeding your own becomes unthinkable. I would challenge anyone who is considering breeding to do so. Just even a few hours. Look into the eyes of the homeless animals.

Pigs of every size, shape, color can be found. Most of the old or sick animals are considered unadoptable and are fostered in long term care until they are healthy. Some live out their lives in foster care. Yes, not everyone can handle the health issues. There are still plently of young, healthy animals needing homes.

It´s a universal problem. It certainly is not limited to California. I think we just have been thrust in the position to have to publicize it.

I´m sorry about the screaming comment. I am fostering a number of sick animals right now and have to get up during the night to feed them. Just like a newborn baby. I´m not at my most diplomatic. with teaching, winemaking, fostering and lack of sleep.

You say you can´t make a difference. Not true. Each pig born can potentially expand expodentially quite rapidly due to their short gestational cycles ( 2x2x4x8x16x32= big problem). It is possible that the Hollisterand Monterey pigs started with a small core group.

The change starts with each one.

Evangeline

Post   » Tue Oct 08, 2002 8:37 pm


I just ran a PetFinder search. There are 19 guinea pigs (all ages, colors, breeds) in rescues in or near Charlotte. And not all shelters list their adoptables on PetFinder either.

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Red Blur
Chocolate Giver

Post   » Wed Oct 09, 2002 12:45 pm


It is possible that the Hollisterand Monterey pigs started with a small core group.

That´s exactly what happened here...4 pigs led to about 150 within 4 years - all kept in pens in the backyard...

Julian
I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Wed Oct 09, 2002 12:54 pm


And they wonder why we are so anti- breeding. It´s always the same story. It´s the 150 that we get the calls about. Add up 150 a few times and it becomes an explosive situation. Sigh................

Looking at my Monterey fosters and how much they look alike ( read identical) it is not only posssible; it is a reality. I heard something about 90 generations.

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Red Blur
Chocolate Giver

Post   » Wed Oct 09, 2002 1:13 pm


I think Cara had it right...all of you that have given so much of your lives to helping these homeless animals have every right to judge those who choose to create more...

if no one could ever judge another person for anything because "God is in charge of that" than we´d have even more chaos in this world than we do now.

Nurgle
...what, what, what?

Post   » Wed Oct 09, 2002 1:16 pm


That´s where Scamper and Streak come from (and Mustard before he died). Some guy started with 5 or six, and five years down the road, they had to take away 235 guinea pigs. He didn´t think it was ´fair´ to separate the boys and girls...

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Red Blur
Chocolate Giver

Post   » Wed Oct 09, 2002 1:29 pm


Speaking of piggie pregnancies gone bad...

Just heard from Becci (she runs the rescue here in Phoenix). She said that one of the pregnant pigs had her babies yesterday. There were 4 and all were still-born and severely underdeveloped. Poor things...mama seems to be doing fine though.

GetShelly
I give

Post   » Wed Oct 09, 2002 4:46 pm


I know I´m probably opening up a whole new can of worms, but in thinking along these lines of logic, why do we continue to have children when so many children around the world, and in our own foster care system, need good homes. Just food for thought.

pinta

Post   » Wed Oct 09, 2002 5:58 pm


Can´t blame me - I knew we had enough humans as a kid and have not contributed any more.

And I am sick of the God excuse. Whatta lazy-ass ducking responsibility cop-out that always is. And when people use it, they expect a respectful silence, nodding of heads and seem to believe they are accepted as a good religious person because they obviously have a personal relationship with God.

I´ve heard the "God excuse" used for crabgrass. "It´s God´s will". Yeah right - more like it´s God´s will that there are a lazy-assed excuses of a human beings incapable of rational thought.

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Red Blur
Chocolate Giver

Post   » Wed Oct 09, 2002 6:16 pm


getshelly - actually tried that argument on my husband...almost got him too. But he still wants one of his own. We´ll see...

Pinta - my thoughts exactly.

Evangeline

Post   » Wed Oct 09, 2002 7:34 pm


SpottyPoo-
I thought you wouldn´t read this board anymore? Welcome back.

Evangeline

Post   » Wed Oct 09, 2002 10:03 pm


I think I scared her. I was seeing her name at the bottom of the page (people logged on) and thought she´d come back.

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bats

Post   » Wed Oct 09, 2002 10:07 pm


Hit your quota for today, E?

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Becky

Post   » Thu Oct 10, 2002 1:46 am


Getshelly, no kids here. I also made a decision 14 years ago to cut my salary in half and teach little kids. Poor things!

I agree. Way too many kids and way too many not getting proper care.

imanut4u

Post   » Thu Oct 10, 2002 5:40 am


I just really wish anyone considering breeding any animal would spend time in an animal control facility. Stats for our county speak volumes to me and we have a very small shelter. 2600 animals in, 860 adopted out in 2001.

My head hurts to think about the shelters in other counties handling 10,000 animals each year.

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Becky

Post   » Thu Oct 10, 2002 9:37 am


imanut4u, thanks for posting that stat. It is mind boogling.

Yes, spend some time in a shelter. And make sure to watch as the rendering truck comes. If that doesn´t stop a person, I don´t know what would.

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lisam

Post   » Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:33 am


Rendering truck! Not at our local shelter. They just throw them out back in the dumpster.

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Sunny

Post   » Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:51 am


What´s a rendering truck (dare I ask?)

Julian
I GAVE, dammit!

Post   » Thu Oct 10, 2002 10:52 am


I´ve been communication with some local shelters looking to place some demonstration cages for the Monterey pigs.

I am so surprised that quite a few have a 30 day limit and that they euthanise Mites pigs immediatly. Pennies to treat , easier to kill. They don´t have the space or the time. I am doing more leaving my phone number than delivering pigs. I can understand their position eventhough it makes me want to vomit. They are trying to cope with someone else´s irresponsibility. They are not happy about it either and strongly discourage breeding. All animals who are not neutered or spayed are only released through the vets office after the procedure. They found they couldn´t trust people to get it done and were seeing the abandoned puppies or kittens of ex-shelter animals.

My two local shelters won´t even accept pigs. Euthanise immediatly if a rescue doesn´t pick up night dumps. They are so overwhemed with the dog and cat problem. We have a few local Humane societies that help pull out some. They are not interested in small rodents as they as overwhelmed with dogs and cats and of course a lack of money and people.

Our local shelter has a creamatorium. There is always a good deal of smoke..............

Evangeline

Post   » Thu Oct 10, 2002 11:24 am


The Moncton shelter takes in 4000 a year, adopts 1000 out. The numbers seem to compare.

80 000 foals are born each year in Alberta in the Premarin industry. 40% end up in slaughter because there are not enough buyers.

Animal overpopulation is everyone´s problem. Even with just accidental pregnancies, we´d have enough to "supply" every shelter. Breeding on purpose is bound to lead to overflow.

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