First Angel...now it's Elsie..crying when peeing.!

GP Lover · Post » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:45 am

Escarole, to me, is not the same as endive. I could be mistaken however.

GP Lover · Post » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:50 am

It appears the Escarole is a broad leaf type of Endive but I wouldn't consider them to be the same. There's also belgian endive which is the yellow leaf type.

GP Lover · Post » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:51 am

I found Angel unable to walk this morning...she limps one step and then plops down. She must have hurt her front paw but it's black so I can't see a thing. She doesn't cry from pain but she can't walk much. Perhaps she got her nail caught in the hay rack?

Post » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:52 am

See:
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/rhodcv/hort4 ... e00005.htm

http://www.foodsubs.com/Greensld.html

http://www.nass.usda.gov/fl/veg/fall/vegfal98.htm

http://www.botany.com/cichorium.html

GP Lover · Post » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:57 am

Angel eats Escarole..the green stuff with the smooth wide leaves.
The grocery stores here call the yellow leaf stuff endive. Gee, I wonder which one the oxbow nutrional table used then?

swannie · Post » Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:48 pm

Sorry for changing the topic, but how is a total cholesterol of 120 considered high by any standard?

Carol, I hope you figure out what's wrong with Angel's paw soon! There's no specific tenderness that you can discern?

GP Lover · Post » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:05 pm

I have no idea what happened to her! I woke up today to find she can't walk. I feel nothing swollen and no broken skin. I figure she must have a soft tissue injury that will just take time to heal.

Swannie, Joe and Gail's piggie, George passed away today O:(. Gail had him in the car going to the vet to get him into their oxygen tank when he passed in the car. They are devastated but glad he went on his own. It's a sad day today.

Post » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:12 pm

Send them our condolences. They did everything they could.

Becky · Post » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:25 pm

Poor George. I'm so sorry.

And poor Angel. I hope it's nothing serious with her paw.

Escarole and endive--the stuff with the wide leaves--are both members of the chicory family and are the same in terms of their numbers. Those are what you're feeding Angel and what are listed on the Oxbow chart.

Belgium endive is the small, outrageously expensive ones and the whitloof chicory, I believe, is similar to frisee (sp??). They're listed separately.

You feed her three times a day?

Becky · Post » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:28 pm

Swannie...should have said LDL levels. My doctor says 120 is too high because of a family history of heart disease. He wants it down to 100 or less.

salana · Post » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:32 pm

I'm sorry to hear about George. Are they going to get a necropsy done to see what was going on?

Einstein's foot/ankle injury in January was similar. My dad drove up to NY with the pigs safely in their carriers and Einstein didn't want to put weight on his foot when he came out. The vet school decided that since there were no palpable fractures, no bumblefoot, and no swelling, and that he put some weight on it when walking (this was 2-3 days after the injury) that it was a soft tissue injury. They didn't even prescribe painkillers, although I'm sure meloxicam would have made him feel better.

GP Lover · Post » Sat Sep 25, 2004 10:20 pm

No necropsy on George. They wouldn't be able to bear that. He's being cremated. Their vet was sure it was cancer that metastized. She found a tumor on his liver with an ultrasound.

Joe already has a box made up for the ashes. Inside the lid is a pic of George and Gail is to bury George with Joe when he goes.

Angel seems to be walking a little better now, although she's still limping. I think it's as Salana describes...a soft tissue injury. Hopefully she'll heal in another day or two.

Yeah...I USED to feed my girls three times a day because I would go home for lunch. They would beg for food and I just couldn't deny them. Three weeks ago I moved so now I don't come home for lunch.

Becky, do you think the Escarole could possibly be the key to Angel's urine crystal problem?