Correct Lasix dosage

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Cara

Post   » Thu Nov 07, 2002 12:53 pm


E, vet had it but only in pill form. Ok, the concentration is 10MG/ML. She's getting 0.2 cc every 8 hours. I was just home and gave it to her and the baytril. She didn't enjoy it but didn't fight too terribly bad. her breathing is still very labored but she's running about drinking and eating. I called my mom the nurse so she could explain the cc vs. ml to my very dense self. I said how I was worried it wasn't a high enough dose but she said Zipper only weighed 1.5 lbs. Thanks for explaining things to me multiple times, I am probably the densest person on the earth!

Sorry Lynx, I haven't been to the prinicpals office in loooooong time. The other thread didn't have any useful info in it anyway.

PauloF what's a ferule?

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Lynx
Celebrate!!!

Post   » Thu Nov 07, 2002 1:19 pm


Sorry Lynx, I haven't been to the prinicpals office in loooooong time.
It's never too late to send you again.

ferule: a rod or ruler, used in disciplining children

Evangeline

Post   » Thu Nov 07, 2002 2:03 pm


Well a cc is the same thing as a ml. Same thing, two different names. What the f don't you understand in that?

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PauloF

Post   » Thu Nov 07, 2002 3:01 pm


As Lynx said, an antediluvian device for undisciplined children. One or two good whacks on someone's hand, and no time wasted going to the principal's office.

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Cara

Post   » Thu Nov 07, 2002 3:12 pm


E, if you could be anymore of a bitch I would truly be amazed. I didn't realize they were the same thing, no one previously said they were the same thing. I already said I'm quite dense when it comes to math. Wish I could use the ferule on E's head.

pinta

Post   » Thu Nov 07, 2002 3:35 pm


I don't get why they have ccs and mls myself. They are the same thing. Why screw with our collective heads?

the dose in one of the med books is 2-5mg/kg every 12 hours.

Everyone needs to get into the habit of putting a "0" in front of the decimal point so doses aren't misread.

It sounds like the dose is in the medium range for Zipper. Your vet might want to go to the highest dose for a day (with a hydration subcue treatment) to clear out the fluid in the lungs and then reduce down to a maintenance dose.

Pigs in heart failure can't even walk. The difference is amazing when they get the Lasix. Some of these pigs showed no previous symptoms - they just collapsed. If the pig is already functioning I have found it takes about 5 days to see a noticeable improvement on Lasix.

I think Zipper should be on Enacard (a blood pressure med) also.

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Cara

Post   » Thu Nov 07, 2002 3:41 pm


Thank you. I am to call the vet today when I get home and I'm on my way now. I'll mention Enacard to her. Zipper's definitely not in failure. Vet did say that Zipper may never have normal breathing since her heart is so big, it's smooshing her lungs a bit. I know I over-react but I didn't with Sable and she's dead now. If I had questioned the vet and been more aggressive she'd have probably lived.

Evangeline

Post   » Thu Nov 07, 2002 4:15 pm


I'm sorry, but Christal, Paulo and Lynx all told you that. Rread their posts, you'll see. That's why I was wonderring what you didn't understand.

Good to hear Zipper is doing better.

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melcvt00

Post   » Thu Nov 07, 2002 6:02 pm


Just out of strange curiosity....why could the vet have just dispensed some of the injectable Lasix to be given orally? Would've made things much easier.....

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Thu Nov 07, 2002 8:53 pm


Ask for the Enacard. The Lasix removes excess lung fluid, but the Enacard lowers the blood pressure, relieving the heart of some of the work. Antoine is on Enacard alone since he has no fluid build-up. His murmur is congenital as well and is so prominent (even on meds) that he has jugular pulses and the murmur can be felt with your fingers on his chest. We've just passed the two year post diagnosis anniversary, and he is well.

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Cara

Post   » Fri Nov 08, 2002 8:30 am


Darn, I really hate this iBook, just erased my whole book long post.

Ok, first, E, I read that 1 cc = 1 ml and it just didn't register. I was worried and not reading as closely as I should have, that doesn't mean you still have to be a bitch and swear at me.

Mel, apparently the concentration was different from the Rx and she didn't have enough of the 10mg/ml to give me 60 ml. Besides, my pharmacy just happened to be out of it.

I somehow missed the vets call last evening even though I had my phone with me, when I tried to call back, they weren't answering even though the office had just closed. She said she'd call me at work today. I will certainly mention to Enacard then. She said Zipper's heart is just big, she and the other vet there couldn't hear a murmur. But I have a rapid heart rate that I take tiazac (a blood press. med) for so I understand how it would help Zipper. I do think when I gave her the baytril this am, her breathing seemed less labored. I gave the lasix at 4:15am and didn't much a of difference from when I went to bed (I also checked on her at 1am). She did have a rattle, just a few times and not loud while I was feeding her lettuce on my lap. I think it could be the lasix and baytril breaking up the fluid in her lungs. She is eating very well and seems more active though I seem to be constantly shoving a syringe in her mouth. She is also drinking well. She weighed 1.5 at the vets on Thurs. afternoon, last night she weighed 1.15lbs. I'm not too worried because she is eating and she hasn't ever weighed over a lb to begin with. Thank you, Lynx, Christal, PauloF, pinta, and Josephine for your help and Jill for the good luck. I really appreciate it. I know I tend to go crazy but I worry too much. I'd probably be a totally irrational woman if I ever had children and they'd live in a bubble.


Just one more question, are the side effects of lasix the same for pigs as they are for humans? Do I need to worry about side effects? Because it was filled at a human pharmacy I got this list of possible side effects and there were quite a few. Thanks.

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Fri Nov 08, 2002 8:56 am


Yup. Side effects pretty much the same. The PU/PD (excess urination and thirst) is usually the most noticable to owners. It can also compromise kidney function, so make sure she is well hydrated and eating well. I like to do routine (every 6 months or so) bloodwork on Lasix animals in general. My vet even does labs every 3 months if they're not maintained. We usually start at 5-10 mg/kg/day for cavies and reduce if possible to the lowest maintaining dose. I suppose Pinta has more experience on crashing heart pigs, though. The Enacard is hard on the kidneys as well. The low blood pressure is good for the circulation, but the kidneys depend on some of that negative pressure to work. Antoine's values are all great, actually lower than when he was not medicated (which is good in his case).

I don't know about using injectable furosemide (Lasix) by mouth. I know that many drugs can be used that way, but not all. The normal concentration of injectible Lasix is 50 mg/ml (which is doable to measure for a cavy dose, but more difficult). I do believe it is quite light sensitive, so store it in a dark place and/or brown paper bag. Usually it is dispensed in an amber bottle to protect it.

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