First Angel...now it's Elsie..crying when peeing.!
- Lynx
- Celebrate!!!
Oh, I'm sorry she is getting worse. I think if you can syringe adequate water, you should not have to give subcues (compare what you can get in to what he'd want injected). It all comes out the same way. Josephine should be able to say if there is any benefit of one over the other if you're giving the same amount of fluids.
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- Little Jo Wheek
You have to syringe at least 40-60 mls of fluids per day. If you can do that, you can skip the SQ fluids.
I would do some bloodwork if there hasn't been any for awhile. I forgot--did this pig have any contrast studies done of the bladder and kidneys (cystogram?)? If you are doing bloodwork to monitor liver parameters, I don't see why the Metacam would be a problem. Steroids are just as much, if not more so problematic.
Have you tried consulting with UCD? I would prefer that vs. Antech. I don't have much faith in them. Why did they suggest taking out leafy greens? They didn't say anything about Ca:P ratios?
I would do some bloodwork if there hasn't been any for awhile. I forgot--did this pig have any contrast studies done of the bladder and kidneys (cystogram?)? If you are doing bloodwork to monitor liver parameters, I don't see why the Metacam would be a problem. Steroids are just as much, if not more so problematic.
Have you tried consulting with UCD? I would prefer that vs. Antech. I don't have much faith in them. Why did they suggest taking out leafy greens? They didn't say anything about Ca:P ratios?
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- My home, ruled by pigs!
"I would do some bloodwork if there hasn't been any for awhile."
-No, she's never had bloodwork done.
"I forgot--did this pig have any contrast studies done of the bladder and kidneys (cystogram?)? "
-Yes, she had contrast studies done, cystogram AND she had exploratory surgery. All results indicated inflammation.
"If you are doing bloodwork to monitor liver parameters, I don't see why the Metacam would be a problem. Steroids are just as much, if not more so problematic. "
-Not sure if you are saying its a good idea with the Metacam or not? He gave her steroids previously without doing bloodwork. If she has a problem with the liver wouldn't we know it by now?
"Have you tried consulting with UCD?"
-How can I do that?
"Why did they suggest taking out leafy greens? They didn't say anything about Ca:P ratios"
- they say gps make more than one kind of crystal and so
maybe its due to the calcium?
How come you have little faith in Antech?
It is now 18mths since I first noticed she cries when urinating.
-No, she's never had bloodwork done.
"I forgot--did this pig have any contrast studies done of the bladder and kidneys (cystogram?)? "
-Yes, she had contrast studies done, cystogram AND she had exploratory surgery. All results indicated inflammation.
"If you are doing bloodwork to monitor liver parameters, I don't see why the Metacam would be a problem. Steroids are just as much, if not more so problematic. "
-Not sure if you are saying its a good idea with the Metacam or not? He gave her steroids previously without doing bloodwork. If she has a problem with the liver wouldn't we know it by now?
"Have you tried consulting with UCD?"
-How can I do that?
"Why did they suggest taking out leafy greens? They didn't say anything about Ca:P ratios"
- they say gps make more than one kind of crystal and so
maybe its due to the calcium?
How come you have little faith in Antech?
It is now 18mths since I first noticed she cries when urinating.
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- Little Jo Wheek
I think the Metacam would be a good idea. It's much nicer for her, since she appears to be in some level of discomfort. If her liver checks out, all the better.
UCD has a CAPE (CAEP same thing). It's their exotics' dept. Your vet should be able to email or call them and discuss the case for more ideas. Very similar to what he/she has done already with Antech. Or you can have a vet post the case on VIN online for more feedback.
If the stones are due to the Ca, it's not the Ca level! It's the ratio of Ca:P. There is a ton of info on this site and the main GL care/health page on the proper ratio. It's 1.4:1 ideally in certain veggies. This doesn't exclude leafy greens, just certain ones.
I have had several brief encounters with that lab. They have been bad, so that taints my view on how professional and experienced they are. I just don't know if I would take their "expert" view on things, especially when other avenues of consults can be pursued.
UCD has a CAPE (CAEP same thing). It's their exotics' dept. Your vet should be able to email or call them and discuss the case for more ideas. Very similar to what he/she has done already with Antech. Or you can have a vet post the case on VIN online for more feedback.
If the stones are due to the Ca, it's not the Ca level! It's the ratio of Ca:P. There is a ton of info on this site and the main GL care/health page on the proper ratio. It's 1.4:1 ideally in certain veggies. This doesn't exclude leafy greens, just certain ones.
I have had several brief encounters with that lab. They have been bad, so that taints my view on how professional and experienced they are. I just don't know if I would take their "expert" view on things, especially when other avenues of consults can be pursued.
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- My home, ruled by pigs!
Well I am not eliminating greens totally. Just certain ones as you say.
I'll mention UCD to my vet and see what he has to say.
I have a really bad mental block when looking at the charts of ca:p levels of foods. I wish someone could just give me a list of what would be good to feed her. Right now she's getting:
Romaine - 4 leaves/day
Canteloupe - 1pc/day
Watermelon - 2pcs/day
Carrot - small pc/every other day
Honeydew - 1 pc/day
Cucumber - 1pc/every other day
Oxbow hay pellets - unlimited
Timothy Hay-unlimited
Orange - 1 segment/every other day
Celery - on occassion
Apple - 1pc/da
I'll mention UCD to my vet and see what he has to say.
I have a really bad mental block when looking at the charts of ca:p levels of foods. I wish someone could just give me a list of what would be good to feed her. Right now she's getting:
Romaine - 4 leaves/day
Canteloupe - 1pc/day
Watermelon - 2pcs/day
Carrot - small pc/every other day
Honeydew - 1 pc/day
Cucumber - 1pc/every other day
Oxbow hay pellets - unlimited
Timothy Hay-unlimited
Orange - 1 segment/every other day
Celery - on occassion
Apple - 1pc/da