mites/sore/labored breathing/skinny

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Lynx
RESIST

Post   » Sat Apr 30, 2005 10:45 pm


The vitamin C likely has trace amounts of sugar and not enough to cause problems. Good luck.

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LER

Post   » Tue May 03, 2005 12:15 am


Fuzzy Lumpkins had his appointment today. My vet was able to successfully draw blood from the inside of his left leg, but it took some effort and tryng. Poor Fuzzy - his entire underside is one huge edema. He must be miserable. But we got a fair amount of blood and also she used an ultrasound to get a tiny, tiny urine sample. It was like only one drop, looked exactly like water. They couldn't do more than tell that it had glucose in it. They were going to run some blood work in house just to check for renal failure I think(?) but were also sending some out. I think she might be sending it to Idexx but I am not 100% sure. I will keep everyone updated regarding the results. Please keep Fuzzy in your thoughts.

We wondering if this could be diabetes brought on by his poor nutrition.vit. C defiency? Does anyone have any info? Thanks . . .

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Tue May 03, 2005 12:19 am


Edema? We're sure this isn't heart?

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LER

Post   » Tue May 03, 2005 12:25 am


Hi Josephine,
We aren't sure of anything. He drinks excessively, came to me (2 weeks ago) severely underweight with a likely vit C deficiency. The edema is around his back end more so then the lung/heart area, I believe.

pinta

Post   » Tue May 03, 2005 4:12 am


Sounds more like kidneys. Has the vet considered Lasix to get rid of the fluid and hydration subcues to compensate for the Lasix? This is what we did for Rachel when she had pitting edema from kidney failure.

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LER

Post   » Tue May 03, 2005 8:38 am


Hi Pinta,
I mentioned lasix but she said it could cause renal failure and would only be something she would consider as a very last resort. I did tell her about how it seems a lot of people have success when treating frequent uri pigs with lasix and enecard and she was very surprised. She's willing to consult, though, and we may actually end up sending Fuzzy (and Kirk too) to a foster home near Boston and having him go to Angell - she would give us a referral. (we really need to hold a fund raiser for these poor piggies!) I just thought I would run the bloodwork and such here to get a better picture of what is going on. Thanks for weighing in.

pinta

Post   » Tue May 03, 2005 7:09 pm


It can cause renal failure which is why hydration subcues are so important. My really bad kidney pig had her life extended a few weeks with twice daily max lasix doses and twice daily subcues. Her edema was so bad she needed the lasix to rid her body of the fluid for her comfort level.

My current kidney pig hasn't needed lasix yet but he has heart problems and is on Fortekor. Twice daily subcues for him as well.

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LER

Post   » Tue May 10, 2005 9:53 pm


I'm still waiting on the results of Fuzzy's bloodwork. I will call tomorrow and ask, but I was just in today and no one mentioned it. I didn't ask specifically, though.

I weighed him today and he is up 152 grams from last Satuday (10 days). I think all of it is fluid/edema. It feels like it must be so very uncomfortable!

Does anyone have any thoughts that I can pass along to the vet in regards to helping reduce this? Pinta it definitely sounds like you think Lasix could help. I will ask her again about it. (Hoping the bloodwork has some definite answers.)

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Lynx
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Post   » Tue May 10, 2005 10:46 pm


See www.guinealynx.info/medicatons.html#lasix and follow the link to marvistavet.

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LER

Post   » Tue May 10, 2005 11:03 pm


Reading this from the website:

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_furosemide.html
"Furosemide is associated with an increase in blood sugar levels. This is not a problem for most patients but a different diuretic may be a better choice for a diabetic patient."

Makes me definitely want to wait on the blood work results since diabetes is on our suspect list. We drew blood on the 2nd so the resultsreally ought to be in now or soon.

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Wed May 11, 2005 12:44 am


Where'd you send the blood? Usually I get results within 12-24 hours.

Something like 150 grams of weight gain is concerning. My heart pig was in CHF to cause such a weight gain in him. Waiting long periods of time may cost you dearly with diuretic and/or heart issues. Usually, if edema is present, I would push for Lasix within 12 hours if heart is suspected. Hmmmm.... It's hard to say since you're still waiting on lab results. I just wish I had started Lasix sooner on my pig. I started as soon as the edema occured, but by that time things were really serious.

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LER

Post   » Wed May 11, 2005 12:52 am


That's extra frustrating that it's taking so long then! I'll be angry if the results are back and sitting in a folder waiting for them to get around to calling me! Depending on what we see in the results, he (and Kirk) are going to go to Angell for further work. Like i said, it depends on what we see in the bloodwork - hopefully that will give us a clear indication of what we are dealing with here. I'm not sure where they sent it but I think Idexx.

Josephine
Little Jo Wheek

Post   » Wed May 11, 2005 12:58 am


Hmmm... Is it local? Idexx has offices/labs all over the country. I know our local lab is about an hour drive, so it's really close. They get the samples within 6-12 hours of the average clinic taking the blood.

Don't expect the bloodwork to be the end-all. It may be completely normal if it's a heart problem and not kidney! Even kidney stuff has to be severe for it to turn up in the bloodwork. It should rule out infections, certain cancers, etc. It should at least tell you if the pig should tolerate the Lasix better. Or enalapril. He should be on both if it is heart at this stage.

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LER

Post   » Wed May 11, 2005 1:04 am


If we don't get a clear answer from the bloodwork, I'm sending him to Michelle to take him to Angell for me - my vet can give us a referral. [If that ends up happening, we will gladly accept donations from anyone interested in helping out, but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.]

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LER

Post   » Fri May 13, 2005 10:48 pm


I wanted to update, the boys are now with Michelle thanks to my boss (she wanted me to work on Sunday, and was going to Boston today, so I agreed to work if she agreed to take the piggies ;~) They have an appointment on Wednesday at Angell!!

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mab0615

Post   » Thu May 19, 2005 6:28 am


Back from the vets. x-rays are scheduled for next week. The radiologist wasn't there.

Kirk: No vision in his right eye most likely from a previous trauma. There's a protrusion thru the pupil and no lens. There's also new blood vessels on sclera. Slight redness on his hind legs. His lungs and heart sound fine but will know for sure after next week. He still has slight wheezing but no dischard from eyes or nose. She gave me Flurbiprofen ophsol .03% for his eye. Twice a day for ten days.

Fuzzy: The swelling on the abdomen feels like a subcutaneous mass. It's probally a lipoma (fat) but won't know for sure til the x-ray. He also had a previous eye trauma to the cornea but his is healing. She gave me Neo/Poly/Gram Ophth solution. 3 times a day for 10 days. Generalized edema in hind feet and diffused swelling of hind legs. She thinks one of the legs was fractured before. She also thinks he could have a metabolic bone problem. She will check his bone density next week. The wound is healing nicely she said. She did give me Silvadene cream to put on. Would this harm him if he licked it?

I thinks that's about it for now. They will also do blood work next week to check his sugar level when they do the x-ray. She also had a picture of my Rodney in her office. I felt proud...lol

pinta

Post   » Thu May 19, 2005 8:40 am


Are they suspecting heart with Fuzzy? Or kidney issues? What breed is he?

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mab0615

Post   » Thu May 19, 2005 11:40 am


Possibly kidneys with the amount of water he drinks. Here's a couple of pictures of him. I'm gonna guess a peruvian mix of some sort. Maybe even a satin. He's in dire need of a bath which they'll get this weekend. He also has a couple of deformed toes/ nails in the front. The nails aren't centered in the toes and point to the sides.

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lisam

Post   » Thu May 19, 2005 12:34 pm


Yes, he's a satin, which could definitely mean calcium problems.

pinta

Post   » Thu May 19, 2005 6:59 pm


Print off the bone density thread in reference and give it to your vet.

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