Polycitra sources anyone? Becky?

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Lynx
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Post   » Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:14 am


Someone in Finland wrote me looking for a generic name. I'm posting this here in case there is anything not evident by looking around on Google:

Anyway could you please tell me "trade name" and possible manufacturer of Polycitra, which is suitable for guinea pigs. From internet I found three products called Polycitra (all contains citrates), one was called Polycitra-K, other ones I don't remember anymore. Then I found an article about Polycitra used for humans for alkalise urine, but it sayd clearly that it is not same as Polycitra-K!!!

I wonder if I can even buy Polycitra from Finland (in local chemist they hadn't heard about it), but it could be easier with right trade name.


If anyone has good advice for her, please let me know.

I am guessing polycitra-K is the one. I'd have to look around.
http://www.rxmed.com/b.main/b2.pharmaceutical/b2.1.monograph ... LYCITRA.html
Note: I think this product must be taken with extra fluids.

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swannie
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Post   » Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:32 am


Potassium citrate is the generic name, I believe. Polycitra-K is how one vet referred to the medicine; not sure how it's different to standard Polycitra (if at all). I think our current bottle says Citra-3 syrup (although I may be misremembering).

TX Rustlers

Post   » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:49 pm


Our vet compounds Urocrit for use in stones and sludge piggies, again this is a trade name for Potassium Citrate

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Becky

Post   » Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:28 am


Polycitra syrup (what I used) is a tricitrate. All of them--polycitra, potassium citrate, polycitra-K, Urocrit, citrolith--are citrates.

Here's a link to all of the combinations.

http://tinyurl.com/da6t7

Polycitra-K is potassium citrate plus citric acid. Polycitra-LC is potassium citrate plus tricitrates. Citrolith is potassium citrate plus sodium citrate. Orocit is sodium citrate plus citric acid. They all work the same way by introducing citrates into the urine to bind with the calcium.

There has to be something in Finland. This treatment has been around for quite a while.

I'll keep snooping around to see if I can find out more.

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Post   » Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:22 am


Here's another way to list the long url directly:

link

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[url=http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/drugs/drug-7206-Tricitrates+Oral.aspx?drugid=7206&drugname=Tricitrates+Oral]link[/url]
I'm not sure but think tinyurl may have a limited life so the links may not always be available.

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Becky

Post   » Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:28 pm


Well, jeese...just when I figure out how to do something the right way, you come up with something new for me to learn.

Don't you understand the limitations of someone my age?!?

And who's going to teach me how to take a link and put my own words to it and make it a sexy color? Hmmm?

OK, so just paste the link into the quote feature, right?

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Post   » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:17 pm


It becomes a sexy color automatically. As for other sexy colors, I disabled the automatic color making thing. If it's abused, will completely pull it.

No, the quote feature doesn't come into play. Check the FAQ above. You do -- don't put any spaces in that part. Then write the word you want to be able to see, then close it with a . If you go to the reply page thing you can do a post preview to know if it works.

But I know you are a brilliant person and could get this downpat if you needed to. As for "someone your age", you should be well aware I am several years older than you are.

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Paravati
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Post   » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:02 am


I just got my very first bottle ever of Potassium Citrate 110 mg/ml.

It says to dose every 12 hours. Does anyone know if that is the only way it can be dosed, or can I do a double dose just once a day?

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Becky

Post   » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:49 am


I wouldn't do a double dose. It's best to split it into two doses. Also, don't forget to give plenty of fluids with it.

Do you have tablets that you're going to crush up, or is it liquid? With the polycitra syrup, I mixed the dose with ten times as much water.

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Paravati
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Post   » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:14 am


It's a liquid syrup. I didn't know it had to be dosed with water. My vet has never used it with guinea pigs before; we're the first to do so. So we're both learning.

The pig who's getting it drinks water like a fiend anyway. His cage is always double-time soaked in urine. Do I still need to give him more water on top of what he drinks anyway?

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swannie
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Post   » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:22 am


Becky, can you explain why the extra water needs to be given at the same time?

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:33 am


I have also heard it is very important to use extra water. I think it would be hard on the system if it is undiluted.

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swannie
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Post   » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:04 pm


But why, exactly?

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Paravati
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Post   » Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:33 pm


Here's my dilemma:

I spend a large part of my time back and forth between my house and my mom's. Sometimes it's not always possible to make it home that night or first thing the next morning to do pig meds. I try hard to do it, but it's just not always possible.

When I asked my vet what would happen if arthur didn't get the med exactly every twelve hours, she said she THOUGHT I could just dose it once a day (like I'm doing with his Metacam, Reglan, Lactulose, and Simethicone). She said that since the medication works on the bloodstream to regulate chemicals in the urine, the half life of it meant that there would still be a percentage of it working. Which meant that I could realistically dose him every 24 hours and it would be okay.

That would be a huge help to me if it were possible to do it that way. It's a strain as it is back and forth between houses, and it's impossible for him to come with me. Carting him around all the time in a Rubbermain bin would just be more stress than it's worth.

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Becky

Post   » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:03 pm


I originally got the information on the stones list, but since then, everything I've read about this medication says take with large amounts of water.

I'll look later, but if I recall correctly, it can be extremely harsh on their esphogus and upper GI system if it's not taken with water.

The dosing information for humans is four times a day. I'm imaging this is because it works on the urine by introducing citrates into the bladder and gets eliminated pretty quickly. I don't recall reading anything about it working via the bloodstream.

By giving the whole dose once a day, I imagine it might be too harsh. In addition, since one of its functions is to bind with excess calcium, more wouldn't necessarily be any more effective than half a dose, if that makes sense.

I'll see if I can dig up some more detailed urological sites for more info.

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Paravati
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Post   » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:19 pm


Thanks, Becky. I will dose him with water from now on. I didn't know it was harsh on them (I guess I assumed since it was compounded with flavor or whatever it'd be okay).

I'll only give him the 12 hour dose amount, and I'll do it every 12 hours if I can. If I can't, I guess it won't hurt him specifically. It sounds like it just wouldn't be as effective on those days.

I appreciate you taking time to look into this and help me.

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Becky

Post   » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:21 pm


What's the dose? Maybe you could split the difference and up it on the days when you only can give one dose.

There's a really wide range of doses that have been Rx'd to various members here.

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Becky

Post   » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:44 pm


OK, this is from a site dealing with Renal Tubular Acidosis (RTA). And just to show you how little I do know about the human body, the blood does seem to be involved. Makes sense, actually, since the blood system is a bit like a mass transit system for the body.

Since the normal kidney is getting rid of acid continuously, the alkali needs to be given in frequent doses, usually in 3-4 doses a day. Once or twice a day dosing will generally leave the child acidotic (ie with high blood levels of acid) for a significant portion of the day

Still looking for info re: taking with water...

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Paravati
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Post   » Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:23 am


This is listed as 110 mg/ml, and I'm supposed to give .15 every 12 hours. It's compounded liquid, mixed with "tutti fruitti" flavoring.

After thinking it over, I have decided that Arthur will just have to suffer the Rubbermaid bin, the psychotic cockatiel, and the neurotic Bichon and come with me this weekend. There just won't be a way for me to make sure he gets his meds on time unless he comes with. And I don't want to have him hurting any more than he already is. He's been in pain for so long with all this UTI stuff.

It's almost funny; to go care for my mother for a few days I feel like I'm packing to move - a suitcase, dogs, pigs, supplies, medicines, computer, portable drive, a portable filing cabinet. It's almost funny, except it isn't. Argh.

TX Rustlers

Post   » Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:32 pm


Ok - I am really interested to hear what you find out about the additional water. We have been dosing our sludge foster piggy for well over a year with urocrit (compounded with some carrier and flavor) and have not supplimented with additional water - not saying this is the right thing to do, just letting you know we haven't, nor have been advised to do so.
What symptoms would we be looking for if water was not administered?
We give the urocit twice a day

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