Cavy Pellet Analysis
- Lynx
- Celebrate!!!
Then I think I'll leave it as 'Josephine' for now (perhaps awkward to list two names). Should you ever want it changed, let me know. I really appreciate your having posted these guidelines. They make sense and give people something concrete to refer to when looking for pellets. Sticking it on the nutrition page should mean it won't get lost on the forums.
Glad you like the pages. People who are really interested in nutrition will have to do their own research (I can't begin to cover this truly complex subject). But it's important to know the quality of the food you feed really does make a big difference in the health of your animal. The nutrition book I refered to on the hay page (more charts of different hays www.guinealynx.info/hay.html ) discussed many diseases related to vitamin and mineral deficiencies (each with their own name) and some that had to do with the Ca:P ratio in large animals.
Glad you like the pages. People who are really interested in nutrition will have to do their own research (I can't begin to cover this truly complex subject). But it's important to know the quality of the food you feed really does make a big difference in the health of your animal. The nutrition book I refered to on the hay page (more charts of different hays www.guinealynx.info/hay.html ) discussed many diseases related to vitamin and mineral deficiencies (each with their own name) and some that had to do with the Ca:P ratio in large animals.
Lynx,
Thanks for adding the Hartz to the pellet nutrition page.
Since Hartz does not list the pellets as having Ethoxyquin in them does that mean they don't have it in them then?
I am just curious on how bad these pellets are because my pigs REALLY liked these pellets more than the KayTee forti diet. If anyone can let me know how they compare to KayTee I would appreciate it. Some of the ingredients are way over my head.
Thanks~
Thanks for adding the Hartz to the pellet nutrition page.
Since Hartz does not list the pellets as having Ethoxyquin in them does that mean they don't have it in them then?
I am just curious on how bad these pellets are because my pigs REALLY liked these pellets more than the KayTee forti diet. If anyone can let me know how they compare to KayTee I would appreciate it. Some of the ingredients are way over my head.
Thanks~
- Lynx
- Celebrate!!!
Take a look at Josephine's guidelines. I think it is a mark against them that they do not list alfalfa first. You have the bag, too, so you can go over the ingredients one by one if you want to. Is there a freshness date on? So you know how long the vitamin C is viable? That could be a mark against them too. Kaytee makes a stabilized form that lasts longer.
And yes, I would imagine if equitoxin(?) is not listed, it isn't in it.
And yes, I would imagine if equitoxin(?) is not listed, it isn't in it.
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- Little Jo Wheek
Hartz also has animal fat and products. Very poor feed. Are the ingredients somewhere and I'm missing them?
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Edit: I found it in the middle of the first page. They must have changed the ingredients--again! That's another thing you have to look for. Many companies regularly change the ingredients depending on which ingredients are cheap and available in quantity at the time. The feed based on wheat, tons of soy, oil, etc. is still not healthy for cavies at all, but it does look like the animal products and ethoxyquin references are removed. Maybe they found a way to put them in without listing them (like finding an ingredient with them already added) or maybe they've gotten smart and removed them altogether. Either way, the rest of the ingredients are still not as high-quality as the other feeds on the list.
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Edit: I found it in the middle of the first page. They must have changed the ingredients--again! That's another thing you have to look for. Many companies regularly change the ingredients depending on which ingredients are cheap and available in quantity at the time. The feed based on wheat, tons of soy, oil, etc. is still not healthy for cavies at all, but it does look like the animal products and ethoxyquin references are removed. Maybe they found a way to put them in without listing them (like finding an ingredient with them already added) or maybe they've gotten smart and removed them altogether. Either way, the rest of the ingredients are still not as high-quality as the other feeds on the list.
Thanks Lynx and Josephine.
I am planning on sticking to Forti diet and not Hartz. I just found it strange that they ate more of the Hartz than KayTee. It could be because they are just hungrier on the Hartz and it is not filling them up like KayTee.
Thanks~
I am planning on sticking to Forti diet and not Hartz. I just found it strange that they ate more of the Hartz than KayTee. It could be because they are just hungrier on the Hartz and it is not filling them up like KayTee.
Thanks~
Piggielover-
Your pigs like Hartz better for the same reason most kids will choose a McDonald's hamburger over healthy meals.
Your pigs like Hartz better for the same reason most kids will choose a McDonald's hamburger over healthy meals.
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- Little Jo Wheek
Went to the local grocery store last night and found a few things:
PELLETS TO AVOID AT ALL COSTS
HARTZ foods I noticed (several names to diets)--all contained animal fat, products, oils, high wheat products (leftovers), and ethoxyquin. Some have colorings, seeds, and nuts. I wish I had the time to do a listing of ingredients. I refused to buy it, even to fertilize my garden. I wonder what food the listing Lynx posted had those ingredients since I was unable to find anything similar to that when I looked at the Hartz foods this weekend.
GEISLER foods (Sargent's pet products)--animal fat, oils, wheat products, and ethoxyquin again (are they owned by Hartz?). Some with colorings, seeds, and nuts.
VITAKRAFT/GERTY seem to be in similar modes, but I do not remember all of the details. More to come when I get official ingredients listings.
I would not recommend ANY of the feeds in this post. They are all low-quality and mediocre at best. Choose one of the other ones listed previously.
Also not recommended was a treat I saw. Brightly colored treats called Tasty Twigs and suggested by the manufacturer to be chewing exercise. They are nothing but flour, oil, sugar, and food colorings. Not healthy. Hay is much better for chewing exercise.
What I saw at the stores was depressing. Very poor feed. Please don't waste your hard-earned money on this garbage.
PELLETS TO AVOID AT ALL COSTS
HARTZ foods I noticed (several names to diets)--all contained animal fat, products, oils, high wheat products (leftovers), and ethoxyquin. Some have colorings, seeds, and nuts. I wish I had the time to do a listing of ingredients. I refused to buy it, even to fertilize my garden. I wonder what food the listing Lynx posted had those ingredients since I was unable to find anything similar to that when I looked at the Hartz foods this weekend.
GEISLER foods (Sargent's pet products)--animal fat, oils, wheat products, and ethoxyquin again (are they owned by Hartz?). Some with colorings, seeds, and nuts.
VITAKRAFT/GERTY seem to be in similar modes, but I do not remember all of the details. More to come when I get official ingredients listings.
I would not recommend ANY of the feeds in this post. They are all low-quality and mediocre at best. Choose one of the other ones listed previously.
Also not recommended was a treat I saw. Brightly colored treats called Tasty Twigs and suggested by the manufacturer to be chewing exercise. They are nothing but flour, oil, sugar, and food colorings. Not healthy. Hay is much better for chewing exercise.
What I saw at the stores was depressing. Very poor feed. Please don't waste your hard-earned money on this garbage.
- Lynx
- Celebrate!!!
I was also sent a pic of the ingredients. I'm going to display it with the original post on the first page. Here's a link
www.guinealynx.info/photos/hartz.jpg
I wonder if there are different suppliers for Hartz products in different parts of the country.
www.guinealynx.info/photos/hartz.jpg
I wonder if there are different suppliers for Hartz products in different parts of the country.
Yes, Lynx your right. It said just HARTZ Guinea Pig Pellets on the front of the bag in blue. All pellets and no fruit or nuts. I DID see the bonanza there too. I threw the bag out so I can't send a picture of the front. It is at Walmart though, here anyway.