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whittibo

Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:10 pm


I hope the other one is the one you need. But I wonder if you can place an order with Valley Vet now and get the other stuff on it's way?

I think you have to treat all of them, even if you use the Revolution?!

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truffie
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:20 pm


If need be, I'll order the right stuff from Valley to treat Sugar and Snickers, but I would get Apples to the vet for the Revolution, because she is so far advanced, and I don't want to let her suffer another day. The other two show absolutely no signs whatsoever, so they can wait a day or two till the paste gets here.
Whittibo - is that stuff you pictured (for swine and cows) the right stuff?

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Lynx
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:40 pm


I think Whittibo is right. That's what they have been so far, that potentcy and 100% ivermectin as an active ingredient.

www.guinealynx.info/oral_ivermectin.html

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whittibo

Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:58 pm


Yes, the one I linked to is the stuff you need. But they would have a horse paste that's 100% Ivermectin as well. So they might have it.

I think everyone would recommend you treat the other pigs too, just because mites were in your home, they all were exposed whether they have symptoms or not?!

Talishan
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:37 pm


1. If you do decide to use ivermectin 1% orally, you can mix with a vegetable oil like canola. That's what we use and it works fine. You don't have to use propylene glycol. If you have a pharmacist who trusts you, or a compounder, they may sell it to you but I believe it's used somehow in illegal drug manufacture and therefore not real easy to get.

2. For what it's worth, I don't think you have permanently harmed her. She will be fine once ivomec'd and her hair grows back in.

3. You're going to take her tomorrow for Revolution, correct? If so, it will probably work a little faster than ivermectin, if that's any help.

etplante

Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:10 pm


I know you can get ivermectin from Tractor Supply. The one near me sells the oral paste, injectible, and topic solution. I went with the .5% topical treatment. It was $38 for an 250ml bottle. I think the 1.87% paste was $7 for a tube. The topical solution has a shelf-life of about 2 years. Your profile says you are in Atlanta. A quick check of tractorsupply.com lists several stores near the Atlanta area. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

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truffie
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:12 pm


etplante - no, my profile must have said I WISH I was in Atlanta, cause it's kinda chilly here in Cleveland, where I really am;) Anyhow, thanks for the advice. I'm heading to the tack store in the a.m. to return what I have and check the label on the 1.87%. If it's pure Ivermectin, I will probably give that a try, but if it's some mixture, I'm not running all over town trying to track down the pure stuff. I'd rather see the vet and do Revolution. We'll see what I find out tomorrow. I think she may also have something else going on with her skin (althought it could all be mite related), and in that case a vet visit wouldn't hurt. I do have a really good exotics vet; I'm just not nuts about the drive. It will also depend on whether I can even get in tomorrow. I'll check my area for Tractor Supply.

Talishan
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:13 pm


ET: thanks, but Truffielover is in Ohio. I'm in Atlanta.

ET has a good point, though. Tractor Supply carries just about everything you could imagine and then some. There are some in Ohio, though they're a ways out from the city:

http://www.mytscstore.com/about_TSC.asp?pageID=states

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truffie
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:15 pm


Talishan, thanks for the link! Let's put it this way - my vet is closer than any of the Tractor Supply stores. I think I'm leaning towards Revolution just because it will work faster. Does it matter if I use that on Apples, and Ivermectin on the other pigs, since they show no symptoms and it's not as urgent, and it will be cheaper that way?

Talishan
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:18 pm


Not at all. It's dosed differently, so just make sure you give the right dose of the right stuff to the right pig(s). Otherwise, it doesn't matter.

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truffie
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:30 pm


Okay, I just called my neighbor who has a horse to ask where she gets Ivermectin. She uses the 1.87% paste from the tack shop, so I can get that for Snickers and Sugar. But, she also happened to mention that she has Revolution for her cat, and I am welcome to use it. Is there some special kind of Revolution for pigs, or would the cat variety be the right one? If so, how much do I use for a pig? Is it safe to use the Revolution w/o a vet's assistance?

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whittibo

Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:44 pm


Oh, good job asking the neighbor!!

I don't know anything about Revolution vs. Ivermectin.

Here's Lynx's info on it http://www.guinealynx.info/antiparasitics.html#revolution

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snowflakey
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:54 pm


Read that link; it sounds like the cat Revolution is just the thing you want. If you can get your friend's Revolution, go for it! A needled syringe would come in handy for drawing it out of the foil ampule.

klynne

Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:10 pm


"I think she may also have something else going on with her skin (althought it could all be mite related),"


Keep in mind that if she has mites that bad, she may have scratched herself into one or more secondary skin problems. She may now also have a bacterial infection or fungal infection, since her skin has been compromised from the mites.

That's what I am dealing with on Henry now. I'd get the parasites killed off, then focus on getting the skin healthy with possibly oral antibiotics and/or anti-fungal shampoos, etc. I found that Paravati's suggestion of Epi-soothe Shampoo and conditioner is what has helped Henry's dandruff and hair loss symptoms the most.

The Metacam is also a very, very good idea. I agree with what others have said--this will cause no permanent harm and we all miss stuff sometimes.

Talishan
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Post   » Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:14 pm


Especially if you're caring intensively for another one, it's very easy to overlook stuff on another.

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truffie
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Post   » Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:13 am


Where would I get the Epi-soothe shampoo? I decided to compromise - I'm taking her to my "second choice" vet this afternoon. He sees pigs occasionally, but he's not a specialist. He's 10 minutes from me, and is fine for basic stuff. Although the extent of her mites is serious, mites are mites, and I know he can handle it. I also would like to see if I can get some Metacam for her so she doesn't use up all of Snickers', and I'll see if he will suggest Revolution, so a vet visit will probably be the best way to go.

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whittibo

Post   » Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:17 am


I wouldn't wait for him suggest Revolution, but would maybe call and say you want to bring her in for a dose of Revolution, and then be sure to print and take in the info on Revolution just in-case he isn't familiar with it.

You might want to print off some of the Mites Info too? I have read many accounts on here of people who took their pigs into vets only to have the vet say there was no indication of mites and didn't treat them. I wouldn't want you to waste your money. :s

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snowflakey
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Post   » Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:32 am


I agree that you want to be proactive with your suggestions, not wait for him to suggest it.

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truffie
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Post   » Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:35 am


I do have the info printed out to take along, and when I made the appointment I told the receptionist that I had a severe case of mites (not me, my pig), with severe hair loss, and I needed to get in today. There is NO question she has mites, and needs treatment. I'm going to tell him that I had planned on treating on my own with Ivermectin, but I prefer that she gets treated with Revolution instead, as she clearly needs results NOW. This vet is okay with pigs. My complaint with him has only been that he is not proactive enough, but if you saw Apples' hair, you'd see that there is no way he would say there is no evidence of a problem. When I need x-rays, ultrasound, or a diagnosis (like with Snickers), I always go to the specialist, but I really think this guy can handle this. Believe me, if I'm not comfortable with what he has to say, I'll speak up.

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whittibo

Post   » Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:40 am


Sounds like you're on top of things! I have no doubt you'll get her treated! Hope she feels better very soon.

Are you still going to get the Ivermectin and treat the rest of your pigs? I think you can use Revolution and Ivermectin together but days apart. I think Mum and Klynne were the ones doing both?

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