Soft poop: what the vet said

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somechick

Post   » Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:42 am


While I'm there, since I'm an hour away and they like to make me drive there nine times a week, I might ask for Baytril AND a backup in case of disaster.

Anyone have a preference on Chlor vs Doxy?

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Post   » Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:45 am


Doxy is very benign and is almost always tolerated. Chlor is - I believe - more like baytril in that it isn't always tolerated. But he may say Doxy won't help with this problem. Chlor is not readily available and should be compounded (with doxy you can get a standard pediatric suspension at Rite Aid).

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somechick

Post   » Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:39 pm


Hmm this is a tough one. I wonder what's going on that with PC that is so severe that Bactrim won't work. I don't exactly know what it means to have high white blood cells.

I'll give him a call tomorrow before I drive up there. Ugh.

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somechick

Post   » Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:32 pm


Oh jeez, PC is sitting all puffed up and not interested in veggies or wheeking. I haven't even gotten the ABs yet. Going to the vet soon, but I don't know what's wrong now.

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somechick

Post   » Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:30 pm


Back from the vet with some drug info if anyone (Lynx?) is interested:

Cisapride: vet said the only reason it was taken off the human market was because a few of the people on it had heart attacks (I THINK - either way, something happened and they died) but those particular patients who did die from the use of it were *already* cardiac patients so it's not necessarily unsafe, but Janssen pulled it due to law suits. He said it's still available for human use in other countries.

Zeniquin: kind of the same as Baytril but he said it doesn't break down into floaxins like Baytril does and he has used it in pigs and has not seen any intolerance yet.

He said that PC probably has a GI infection and he'd rather not give Bactrim because he feels Baytril/Zeniquin work better in this situation.

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rshevin

Post   » Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:37 pm


Your vet is absoutely right about the cisapride. I don't hesitate to use it short term and I like to have it on hand for emergencies. The only concern I have is with long term use and the animal not being able to tell me if he feels funny. In your case, I think it's 110% warrented and I sure hope it helps PC. It may be the kind of thing to keep an open eye for unlikely cardiac problems, because well, why not.

That's very interesting to know about the Zeniquin. I hope she tolerates it well. I'd start right off the bat with probiotics AND poop soup and everything else you can imagine to help prevent any possible GI issues.

It may be of interest that I've recently found out Piggy gets soft, gassy poops from bell peppers. Figures he wouldn't be able to tolerate the only super high C veggie that isn't also high in calcium. I've been giving them for months now and it only just started happening.

Dear Piggy Crocket:
It is time for you to make solid beans again. Your mommie is very, very worried. You will have to take nasty medicine until you stop making all that gas in your tummy. Please listen to me.
-Piggy

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somechick

Post   » Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:42 pm


Hee. Thanks rshevin/Piggy, but clearly PC does not listen :).

Tonight I started the Zeniquin and I'm going to handfeed soon (already some weight loss) with some poos mixed in. Tomorrow morning I'll begin all 50 of the meds up again. Sigh. The vet doesn't seem to think this is as bad as I think it is, but poor PC, she's all puffed up.

I hope this helps. This is nuts. And I thought Sanford was bad. Jeez.

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sef1268

Post   » Wed Oct 25, 2006 8:50 pm


Hi,
Just wanted to wish PC well and hope that the meds provide some much-needed relief SOON. Poor little thing. =(

Talishan
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Post   » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:02 pm


Same here.

I still wonder if Flagyl would be of help.

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somechick

Post   » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:04 pm


Well the fecal didn't show anything so I don't know that it's parasites, the blood work showed elevated white blood cells so an antibiotic is in order. We'll see what happens this week.

What's the reason behind the puffed-up-ness though? Discomfort?

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:27 pm


Thanks for the added drug info. I don't know anything about that antibiotic. Oh, I take that back -- you're talking about marbofloxacin. According to Plumb's Veterinary Handbook it is a quinolone.

Safety of marbolfoxacin during pregnancy has not been established.
Adverse effects/warnings (potential carilage abnormalities in young animals) -- usually limited to GI distress like vomiting, anorexia, soft stools, diarrhea and decreased activity. Antacids may bind to it and prevent its absorption.

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somechick

Post   » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:37 pm


So Zeniquin is marbolfoxacin? Ok. Looks like the same SE's as Baytril. I'll keep my eye out. :\

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Lynx
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Post   » Wed Oct 25, 2006 9:41 pm


It's in the same family as baytril (enrofloxacin).

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somechick

Post   » Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:34 am


Right.

Why the puffed-up-ness? Discomfort?

I tried hand feeding PC but she won't swallow the stuff and since I've done this with Sanford successfully, it's not like I don't know what I'm doing. She CAN swallow because I see her eat veggies and hay, so if she's just being stubborn, what can I do?

I'm really concerned that she's not getting better. Maybe the A/B will help because if she doesn't improve now then I really don't know what else to do. I'm more worried over this than I was with 'Ferd.

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somechick

Post   » Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:12 am


The boyfriend just told me when he left the house he went over to see her and she stayed still when he went to pet her (which she never does) and is all puffy again.

I feel sick and I don't know what to do. She's only had 2 doses of the a/b so far so maybe I'm overreacting, I don't know.

Talishan
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Post   » Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:18 am


I don't think you're overreacting. Call your vet and describe what you and boyfriend are seeing.

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somechick

Post   » Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:46 am


I will. This vet is only open late enough for me to get there on Wednesdays and Fridays. I'm afraid I'm going to have to take her to dumb-vet tonight if the vet wants to see her but I cant get to him.

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lisam

Post   » Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:59 am


Yes, puffed is bad. She doesn't feel good at all.

I'm sorry I didn't go back and read the whole thing, but was she puffed before, or after the antibiotic?

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somechick

Post   » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:02 am


She was puffed yesterday afternoon before I took her to the vet so it's not necessarily antibiotic related. Maybe the a/b just needs to kick in? I have no idea!

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somechick

Post   » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:41 am


Vet told me to keep up the a/bs since it's only been two doses so far and to bring her back tomorrow if no improvement. Handfeed, suplement with C, etc, the basics.

The worst thing about this is that it started out as something so little - just some gas, and totally snowballed into this mess. And I'm sick because I feel I'm doing all I can, but what if it's not enough, or the wrong thing - she can't tell me what's wrong exactly, yknow? Nothing like sobbing in your office.

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