Brian- Eye problems

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Post   » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:32 pm

Monday, Brian's eye started to look a bit infected. I figured it was either a scratch or conj, so I started antibiotic ointment and took him to the vet.

She suggested the ointment every several hours, and since we had a 20g weight loss, put him on metacam and I started supplementing with hand feedings.

She saw a small scratch on the eye with staining, but nothing very large. And she could see nothing stuck in the eye.

Well, two more vet trips and less than a week later, its horrible looking. The surrounding tissue is so swollen that he can't blink, his eye is completely clouded over and red around the edges.

We have been putting the antibiotic ointment on every three hours to keep it moist, and continuing the Metacam.

He shows no signs of lethargy, and only a slight decrease in appetite. With hand feedings, he has maintained his weight. He shows no other signs of pain.

Because his other eye was showing slight irritation, we have also been medicating it. However, without being able to see well, he has now scratched it on hay. It now shows signs of clouding, also.

I just feel so helpless waiting for the meds to do something. My vet is not great with pigs, but she is the best in the area, and very willing to research and learn.

But right now, I need to know what else I can do.

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Post   » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:40 pm

Your poor little guy! Is your hay stalky? I can only suggest trying to only use the leafier parts. It sounds to me like you are being pretty thorough and covering all bases.

I wonder if guinea pigs could manage eye patches.
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Post   » Sun Sep 17, 2006 7:51 pm

I have thought about a little eye patch. It continues to amaize me how his eye can be so bad and he just acts like nothing is wrong.

The timothy I got from Oxbow this time is pretty soft, I try to take out the stalky parts. Right now, I have been picking out the soft parts only for his cage.

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Post   » Sun Sep 17, 2006 8:30 pm

I hope you're not using the BNP with cortisone in it?

The pig may need gentamycin drops. If you don't get the right meds, the eye may be lost.

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Post   » Sun Sep 17, 2006 11:38 pm

Gentamycin has worked well for our pigs' eye problems in the past--for both eye injuries and conjunctivitis. Good luck with Brian; I always feel so bad when I see a pig's eyes sore.


Post   » Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:26 am

Hmm, I had missed that about the cortisone? Does that ointment really have cortisone?

I wonder if it's possible steroids might be letting the infection run rampant? Just a thought.

And just a reminder--soft hay and Critical Care here if/when you need 'em, Glade.


Post   » Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:50 am

BNP is made with and without cortisone in it.

The cortisone will delay healing on an eye ulcer so should not be used.

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Post   » Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:46 am

We are not using the BNP with cortisone. Originally, not using Gentamycin due to the fact that the drops are not staying in the eye long enough.

The BNP has the ability to adhere directly to the eye, and moisturize it (he can't blink), but am going to look into switching to the gent with some ohter type of lubricant today?

Thank you Klynne, I may take you up on that!

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Post   » Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:06 am

I seem to remember when I had a baby with a deep eye ulcer, I had to use the drops every 4 hours, around the clock, for 7 days. It was exhausting, but it did the job!

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Post   » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:33 pm

Make sure you are weighing him. A topical anesthetic or meloxicam may need to be added since the eye problems you describe may make him painful enough to not eat well.

He may have a foreign body in there the vet is just not able to see. Maybe add flushes with saline in between? I think a different antibiotic is definitely called for at this point.

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Post   » Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:04 pm

My guinea pig had a eye problem too.

When i first got him i was using pine beeding and it made his eyes puffy and white liquide came out.

When i took him to the vet they said to try care fresh.

So i bought him someof that beeding and he does not get white liquid any more so your guinea pig may have a reaction to the beeding.

Try the care fresh beeding and see what happens.

The beeding works great and it also does not smell.

I am not telling you how to take care of you GP but what ever you do do not use corncobe beeding it will get stuck in the GPs butt and other areas and then you will have more problems.

Good luck tell me what happens

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Post   » Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:30 pm

Roger, please capitalize your I's. I notice you forget about them when they're in the middle of a sentence.


The white liquid is normal.

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Post   » Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:36 pm

I am sorry your pig is having this trouble and certainly hope he gets better soon. I can't offer much advice. But I can relate a story of my own and I am afraid mine is not happy.

I have no way to know for sure now, but I will always fear that Reuben's partial facial paralysis was due to a bit of hay that worked it's way into his eye and never came out again. The eye problem eventually cleared up with meds. The tooth problems came later. It was probably a few months later when it started. I had forgotten about the hay until the facial paralysis was diagnosed on that same side. He had malocclusion and was handfed for over a year. I fear that the malocclusion was related to the paralysis and not the other way around.

A lot of people don't use hay racks because of worry of the hay poking the eye. A lot of people think only stalky hay can do it. But I am here to testify that Reuben's injury happened with the softest hay imaginable and from hay that was on the floor in a carry cage. No hay rack involved. So people can stop beating themselves up when they think their hayrack was the cause. Stalky hay is definately a bigger danger, but even the softest hay can cause eye damage.

I worry that I could have done more to prevent Reuben's teeth problems. I assumed his eye was fine when he improved on the medication even though I suspected the piece of hay never came out. It is good you are getting this eye treated now and I hope he gets an antibiotic that will help you get him well soon. And I am sure your story will end much better than mine.

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Post   » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:06 pm

We have switched to Gentamycin as of today, so we will see.

Josephine, he is on metacam for pain. And we have been flushing with saline.

He lost 20g orignally, and while he has not regained that, he has stabilized and not lost any more weight.

Yes, Mum, we are medicating every three-four hours, around the clock.

Thanks for the good wishes, we are hoping this works.

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Post   » Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:47 pm

Well, his weight is stable and he is eating (and still being hand fed also). But I just don't know, when do you make the decision that the eye has to go?

I am afraid of waiting too long, and it being to late, but at the same time, don't want to risk losing him in surgury if it isn't necessary.

I know people say this alot, but there really isn't a vet in the area I would trust to do surgury on his eye.

I was lucky enough to find Dr. Staley, who may not be an expert, but is very willing to work with me (prescribing meds I ask for, researching dosages, etc).

Here is a picture, its not very clear, because I didn't want the flash to hurt him. Please don't think his whole cage is this dirty, he was just changed yesterday, and is hanging out in his hay/poop corner.


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Post   » Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:54 pm

Poor guy. I'm no expert, but the inflammation would concern me more than the clouding.

I've nothing useful to add except very best wishes to him and to you. And I certainly wouldn't consider that a dirty cage. ;)

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Post   » Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:57 pm

I guess I should be happy right now that he is peeing an pooping as normal.

He's always had pea eye, so a bit of the red you see is that, but it is very swolen, although the eye is not protruding.

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Post   » Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:46 pm

I'm with Talishan, wishing you the best. It must be disorienting for him.


Post   » Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:07 pm

"I know people say this alot, but there really isn't a vet in the area I would trust to do surgury on his eye."

And I totally have Glade's back on this one--being from the same area, I can attest she's right on this one. It's a very helpless feeling situation here.

Glade, my email is acting up so phone me if you need anything.

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Post   » Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:11 pm

Ouch, that poor guy. Sending good health vibes to you. Hope it gets better soon.

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