Rosie is Limping

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Trick

Post   » Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:38 am


I really didn't think I'd have to use this board so soon after my introduction :/

Yesterday we spent the day doing introductions between our older (8 month) piggies Rosie and Gracie and our younger pigs Brie and Frisky. Things went badly (after hours of going pretty well) with Rosie and Gracie ending up in a proper standing fight (Gracie leaped to defend the younger pigs and thankfully only lost a wee chunk of fur). We had a buddy bath which worked really well but Rosie hates baths and managed to jump out of my hands twice - at one point jumping up in the air, over my arm and back down. She seemed fine as I was drying her.

After that we thought she was in the huff because of the day she'd had - she stayed in her pigloo for a couple of hours, didn't even come out for veggies. Later that evening I was horrified to spot her limping. I lifted her out of the pen, and while sometimes she runs and waddles about fine, other times she is is limping and trying not to leave her weight on her left back foot.

She can move her left leg around fine but it's not as "relaxed" as her other leg. She also squeaks a little if I touch the top of her left leg, sort of her hip/thigh area (though of course it's not an area a piggie likes being touched anyway).

We phoned the vet and we're going to get her x-rayed tomorrow, in the meantime we have put a divider in the cage so she isn't stressed by the new pigs, and as she is on vetbed already I'm hoping she is comfortable.

Does this sound more like a sprain/muscle pull or more like a fracture? And is there anything I can do in the meantime to make her more comfortable today? She's now effectively in a 2x3 with Gracie (they made up again and are snuggling together) and seems to be relaxing which is good. She's also eating and drinking fine though I'm going to try and weigh her if I can without hurting her leg.

I feel utterly sick about this, I thought she was just in the huff when really she was in pain and no doubt shock about her leg :/

If anyone could please reassure me that she'll probably be okay I would be eternally grateful, I keep thinking of all the worst outcomes of this and I don't know how I'm going to get through this day waiting for an appointment tomorrow.

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Post   » Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:08 am


If you have any metacam around, you might try giving her a little of that.

It's possible that she did just 'pull' something and that she'll be fine in a few days.

Let us know how the vet visit goes.

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Post   » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:14 am


Restricted movement (a smaller living area on towels) can help a sprain heal. Since there was a fight, make absolutely sure the vet checks for bite injuries. A foot infection can be a big problem as the feet don't seem to get as much blood circulation and infection can be very serious. With an injury, you would want daily soakings of the foot in an antiseptic solution and perhaps a safe oral antibiotic.

One poster (Pinta) had a heart pig (even less blood circulation) require amputation of a leg because of a foot bite.

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Post   » Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:56 am


Thank you for the advice - do you think I should make her living area smaller than it is at the moment? (Currently 2x3) She's on vetbed which is apparently used for orthopedic matters so I hope that's good for her. I'll put some towels in too for her to cuddle up in.

I'll get the vet to give her a good check over for bites, I did have a look myself but obviously a vet would know much better what to look for.

I don't have metacam unfortunately though I'm now ordering some to put in my emergency kit.

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Post   » Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:46 pm


If she really is limping, yes, I would make it smaller. It should help.

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Trick

Post   » Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:17 pm


Thanks Lynx, I appreciate the help. I'll rearrange the partition to make her area smaller.

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meggielou

Post   » Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:23 pm


Hi Trick,
I'm new to Guinea Lynx too and also really upset that I've already had to use the Emergency medical forum.

My cavy, May, had a fall yesterday and has the same symptoms as yours (limping, squeaking if you touch her shoulder area.

I put her in a 1x2 because her buddy and her like playing the chase game, which probably isn't too good for healing.

I don't really have any advice ( since I'm new to this), but I know how sick and upset you probably feel. I've been spending every minute by her cage. So I just wanted to let you know I'm sending good vibes your way and hope everything goes well at the vet tomorrow!

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Post   » Sun Jan 21, 2007 4:34 pm


Thank you meggielou, that means a lot to me. I'll be thinking of May tomorrow too, I hope things go well for both our piggies at the vets.

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Post   » Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:56 am


We got an appointment at 9:45 this morning. The vet gave her a thorough check over and there are no breaks, fractures, bites, cuts, or any kind of inflammation. She put her on the floor to observe her movement and said it was most likely a very light sprain, some kind of muscle pull or perhaps even just some light bruising. She weighed Rosie and gave her some painkiller after consulting a book listing safe medicines for piggies and how to dose correctly.

Rosie does seem much happier now and is content to rest her leg.

Thank you so much for all the advice and the well wishes, I am so so so relieved that it turned out to be so simple.

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Post   » Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:00 am


Did you get meloxicam? Or rimadyl?

Glad to hear it was nothing serious.

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meggielou

Post   » Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:43 pm


that's great news!

I have my appointment in 3 hours. (I'm on the West Coast.) I hope May's prognosis is as good as Rosie's!

I'm so glad everything worked out for you :o)

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Trick

Post   » Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:44 pm


Good luck with May meggielou, and thank you!

Lynx, it was Meloxicam I believe - the name went out of my head earlier but that rejogged my memory. Such a teeny amount needed for a guinea pig. And thank you, we're just so utterly relieved - plus we haven't seen her limp at all today.

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Post   » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:00 am


I hope it's okay to start a new thread for Rosie, the last one was months ago and concerned a slightly sprained leg rather than a medical condition.

Rosie is my 1 year old dominant sow. She lives with another 1 year old sow Gracie and two younger sows that are four months younger.

Rosie went into heat last week as normal and it seemed to be dragging on. At first I thought this was just the other pigs that were in heat maybe having an effect and was advised to wait and see if it lasted for more than week. Only in the first couple of days was she mounting the other three sows she lives with but every day so far she has been sexually agressive with rumbling and waving her bum in the faces of the rest. She has also been very snappy and grumpy whereas usually she is quite a tolerant pig. She is also the dominant pig and is never challenged on that matter.

Since the 5th of June she has lost 1.8oz which was her first weight loss since February. Up until the 5th her weight had been increasing slowly with her weight before the loss being 2lb 14.9oz (1329g). She is a big girl who has always been pear shaped and isn't as active as the other three girls (one who is the same age) but has never really been lethargic either. But this week she has been hiding away from the other pigs and living mostly in her log cabin which she refuses to share with anyone, not even Gracie who is her best bud who she used to snuggle with often. The other girls also seem to be avoiding her. She does not seem to be eating less - at first she was more fussy with her vegetables, a couple of times she wouldn't eat any until she had been cuddled by my partner who is her favourite human in the world. Now though she is eating veggies and hay fine though I haven't seen her eat pellets now I come to think of it.

She has no other signs listed on the page about ovarian cysts, her nipples are not crusty and seem to be the same length as before (though hard to tell), she has lost no fur and with her being pear shaped it's hard to tell if the weight distribution has changed.

This is perhaps the 8th or 9th day of her "heat" and she is still just as rumbly. We took her to the vets last night. The vet gave her a good check over and asked me all the questions I'd asked myself. She made a bit of noise when the vet checked the area around her tummy, nearer her back legs and seemed uncomfortable. The vet suggested an x-ray and I suggested an ultrasound. She said the problem with ultrasounds was that gas (I think?) could get in the way during the scan and hide problems so she said they'd do an ultrasound first and an x-ray after if needed with a mild sedative. She said if it was cysts then there is the injectable treatment which can shrink them but they may resurface and neutering. I'd read about the other treatments here on GL and it seems spaying is the way forward if that is the case.

She will be going back in on Friday morning for all this. Is the mild sedative needed for x-ray harmful at all? And would it be beneficial to separate Rosie with grids from the other girls at the moment to better monitor her food intake? Also, Rosie and Gracie were bought from a pet shop (my first pigs) and so could be related - would it be sensible and would it cost any more to have Gracie have an ultrasound and/or x-ray as well?

I am also worried after reading the thread here entitled hooing / hooting piggie (video) ... as Rosie makes the "hooing noise" heard in the videos not when she eats but when she is out for laptime. This is the only time she makes the noise and she will not tolerate being belly up at all while her breathing and ability to run away from being picked up is fine. Will the x-ray that is checking for cysts also show her heart and is this something I should mention beforehand so they can check it at the same time? Also, is the fact she only makes this noise at laptime at all significant?

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Post   » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:05 am


as Rosie makes the "hooing noise" heard in the videos not when she eats but when she is out for laptime
Heart pig.

She shouldn't have to be sedated for an xray - and I wouldn't do this if there's a possibility she's a heart pig without having her on heart meds.

Get an xray first to see if there's an enlarged heart. If she does, treat that first. You can also get an ultrasound, if anybody can interpret this. If she has cysts she can be spayed at this age, but she must be on heart meds first if she needs them.

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Post   » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:11 am


Cysts on my pig never showed up in xrays. I think you'd have to have a very gassy pig to interfere with an ultrasound. I don't like getting my pig sedated for xrays, and have never had any of my girls sedated. Usually, if you argue against it, they will xray without sedation - it just means more pig wrassling and dealing with outrage and screaming from the pig.

I had girls that were half-sisters. One was very cystic, the other was not. My opinion, I wouldn't put Gracie through the tests unless you suspect she's cystic (but that's just my opinion).

I've had some pigs get nasally depending on their surroundings. One would get it every time I cleaned the cage, and I finally realized it was the dusty bedding that was effecting her. It may be something in what you're holding her in, or what you're wearing (perfume?).

I've never had ultrasound tried for heart issues. Xray is usually used to determine that, but as many on this board will tell you, xrays will often look fine for a pig that does have heart issues.

Good luck with her!

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Post   » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:22 am


Thanks very much - I'll argue against sedation in that case and I'll make sure they know to focus on her heart as well as looking for cysts. I did wonder about the gas issue, perhaps that is for pigs on a not so good diet with more gassy foods? I'll make sure they do both though and concentrate on her heart with the xray.

She makes the hooting noise as well as higher pitched talking noises whenever she is settled on anyones lap but I'll try maybe sitting her in her cosy on us and see if that helps any too.

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Post   » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:49 am


Heart pigs are usually extremely gassy - they swallow a lot of air.

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Trick

Post   » Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:50 pm


Her weight this evening is 2lb 12oz - that's a loss of 2.9oz in 15 days.

She was just eating her veggies and then had some hay but obviously you don't lose that kind of weight in that kind of time frame normally.

Should I start hand feeding her a little or wait and see how her weight is tomorrow? I'm sorry if I'm being overly paranoid or not using common sense - this is the first time one of my girls has been poorly and I'm just determined to do everything I can right.

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Post   » Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:08 pm


A loss of 3 ounces is a cause for concern. Yes I'd start handfeeding.

When she sees the vet get everything checked: full body xray to check for stones, bones, heart, etc., and get her teeth thoroughly checked too.

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Post   » Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:10 pm


Can't hurt to hand feed, especially if she takes it readily. Its usually my not-quite-feeling-well pigs that will suck down the Critical Care fastest.

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