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Talishan
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Post   » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:20 pm


In my opinion only -- if you get up several times during the night and check on him, and if you were (which of course I hope and pray not, but if you were) to find him gone, I would very seriously doubt he suffered ... and if so, certainly not for very long.

There is a lot to be said for the comfort of familiar surroundings; familiar sounds, odors; warmth, soft light.

I wouldn't worry about this decision just yet. I think you will know what to do (and just as importantly, what not to do) if that time comes.

chii
I Love Lucy

Post   » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:28 pm


Thank you. Your words echo a lot of my beliefs... if he were going to pass away on his own, I would want it to be in his home, in a place where is not surrounded by unfamiliar sounds and smells and dogs and cats and other scary things.

I also like to believe that I'll know when it's time to let him go. I knew with Mr. P. There are animals that come into the clinic and the owner is torn, but I know it's over for them. It's hard because I don't feel that way yet about Benji, but I also worry that my personal attachment could get in the way. I DON'T want to be one of those stupid owners who just won't let an animal go, even when it's obviously suffering and will not get better. This latest stuff with Benji has been really difficult in that respect because a lot of people would say that he has no quality of life or chance of having a good life again, but then I read your experiences and see little improvements in him, and I want to give him the chance to get better. If it becomes apparent that this will not happen, then yes, I will euthanize him... but so far, he's been making little improvements that keep me hoping. I truly think that any regular person would have put him to sleep by now, but I know that with aggressive care, there *is* hope. It just scares me when I think of all the people who are so blind to their pet's anguish. I really don't want to be one of those people who drags out a pet's life because I *think* I see hope when there really is none. That's part of why I write here... I try to be as honest as possible about his condition so that I can get honest feedback. It helps keep me grounded, if that makes sense.

Talishan
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Post   » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:33 pm


It makes perfect sense. And I don't think you will be blinded by personal attachment, nor will you jump to a hasty conclusion.

Just listen to your gut, and don't try to talk yourself out of, or in to, anything.

Tracis
Let Sleeping Pigs Lie

Post   » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:36 pm


For what it's worth: I think Benji is in the right place - in your care.

I will be thinking of you two tonight, and hoping for the best.

chii
I Love Lucy

Post   » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:38 pm


Random question-- I just checked on Benji and since I put him in the bathroom, he's making much more noise when he breaths. Is this good or bad? I'd normally think bad, but I kind of wonder if it means the steam is helping break up mucus and it's just coming out some now. The noise is only when he breaths in.

Also, is it better for me to have him positioned with his head higher than his body or lower? I initially had him higher to make it easier for him to breathe in, but might lower help encourage the mucus to come out? My worry there is that too much mucus working *out* of his lungs through his nose could make it even harder for him to breathe.

tracis, Thank you. You guys have no idea how much your support means. It helps so much when I'm so unsure of what's best for him.

Talishan
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Post   » Fri Mar 02, 2007 7:41 pm


Oh man. No idea.

I think there is a protocol for noise on intake vs. breathing out, and head lower vs. higher, but I don't remember what it is.

Email Pinta?

chii
I Love Lucy

Post   » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:09 pm


Just called one of the vets at my clinic, and her inclination is to keep his head higher than his body at this point, simply because he needs to get in as much oxygen as possible and any mucus being pushed towards his lungs would stop him up more, plus having his gut pushing against his lungs would increase pressure. It makes sense when I think about me having a cold... though I know it's not really encouraging the mucus to come out, but I think at this point, it's the best way to proceed.

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Post   » Fri Mar 02, 2007 8:23 pm


chii - I'm so sorry you're having to deal with all of this and hope you can turn things around.

pinta

Post   » Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:52 pm


I would wonder if he needs lasix. Ask the vet if there is a downside to trying lasix. Azithromycin is the big guns AB when it comes to pneumonia. I've had pigs turn around on it when I was sure they would not make it til morning.

For an oxygen chamber I use a giant clear garbage bag over the pigs travel basket(basket is inside bag) and just insert the oxygen tube into the basket and keep it on low positioning it close to the pig's snout.

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Lynx
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Post   » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:04 pm


I sure agree he's better off with you too. I hope he can hang in there while the antibiotics work.

chii
I Love Lucy

Post   » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:30 pm


I'm very sad to say that Benji just passed away. Probably 10 minutes ago. I had just checked on him when Zac got home and he seemed about the same. I had turned on the shower for a few minutes for him to steam up the bathroom again. He didn't seem to be in distress, he was just about like he was before. I went into the bathroom again less than five minutes later to check on him and immediately realized that he wasn't breathing. I wasn't even sure, but as soon as I saw him, I knew. I picked him up and checked for a heartbeat, but he was gone.

He must have literally taken his last breath just as I walked back into the room to check on him... he was still warm and his eyes were still shining. I held him for a few minutes to say goodbye, and just in that amount of time, the heat left him and his eyes turned that awful cloudy color they change to when they are gone.

It took until about now for it to hit me, and while I am SO very, very sad, I am also relieved. I'm so glad that I found him so quickly. Now I'll never have to wonder if he suffered. I know that he never became agonal. He just stopped. His heart stopped, or his breathing stopped, or perhaps he just chose to stop.

I'm so sorry, Benji-mouse. You have been my most special pig since I lost Miss Pea. No pig will fill that space for a very long time. I'm so sorry I couldn't do more for you. I hope you know that I tried my best and I hope that you didn't suffer for my trying. I love you, and I'll miss you, Benji Mouse.

Zac and I are taking him down to the clinic now so that I can make a pawprint and package him up for cremation. I can't bear to have to do it tomorrow morning when I get to work.

Rest in peace, Benji Mouse. I didn't want to let you go, but I know that you must be so much happier now.

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Post   » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:38 pm


I am so sorry, chii. It is an understatement to say you gave him a chance. You gave him a chance and you gave him love.

Talishan
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Post   » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:39 pm


Chii, there is nothing more you could have done. Know that you did everything possible to help him. You know what you are doing and you have access to information, equipment and medications most do not.

You worked with him and helped him to scoot a little. Remember that. And I can think of no more comfortable place to leave than a warm, familiar, gently-lit place as he was in.

Godspeed and safe passage, Benji Mouse. Run free now.

Big huge hugs to you and Zac.

pinta

Post   » Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:48 pm


I'm so so sorry you lost him.

Please consider a necropsy so your vet can learn more for future pigs.

Tracis
Let Sleeping Pigs Lie

Post   » Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:15 pm


Oh, I'm so very sorry. Benji was so very lucky to have a wonderful and loving home with you.

It really sounds like he had a peaceful passing in his happy home.

chii
I Love Lucy

Post   » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:53 pm


It never ends. I noticed yesterday that Frankie looks odd. I can't place exactly WHY, but something seems not right. She's eating and drinking and moving around, though she seems a little less active. It's more the way she LOOKS. She sits with her eyes a little squinted. She lets the other pigs push her out of the way more than usual when they're eating or drinking.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid because of what happened to Benji, but I feel like something's not right. I called the clinic today and scheduled her to see Dr. Dan tomorrow afternoon. Just to give a little history, Frankie came to me with Benji. Hard to say if they were the same age, but they could be. She's always been healthier than Benji, though. They could very well be related. They're both PEWs rescued from a lab.

Benji used to live with the girls, but after we got Moosey and the fights began, we separated Benji out, so I don't think Frankie even realizes that he's gone; I think depression can be ruled out. I'm just really nervous because I got them together from the same place and they could very well be related.

We had been lucky so far with my girls not having ovarian cysts, but it's been a while since I've had them palpated, and Frankie is by far the oldest, so I wonder if that may be what's going on. If it is, I trust Dr. Dan beyond belief... I feel certain that barring any underlying problems, she would be able to make it through a spay OK. He has a wonderful track record, and we all know that older pigs can pull through spays as well as a younger pig.

If it's not cysts, I don't know what to think. Cancer? Arthritis? I'm not a vet and she has no *obvious* symptoms aside from ADR, so at this point, I'm just throwing things out there. She doesn't seem to have any symptoms of a URI like Benji had, and there's no way she should have been able to catch it, but just because I know someone will ask, I don't think that's likely. In fact, I'm really not even sure that she's ADR... it could just be that I'm being overly paranoid since Benji passed. I just worry since I always felt like Benji had a weak immune system, and if he was indeed older than Frankie (which is what we're now starting to suspect), I wonder if she'll be prone to more issues cropping up as she gets older. We never were able to figure out Benji's inexplicable inability to maintain a good weight.

I did not have a necrospy done on Benji, though now I almost wish I had. I just didn't have the heart to do it, and after seeing Dr. Dan, I felt that his ongoing issues had more likely been a result of old age, and we know for sure that he died from a URI (secondary to his decline due to the injury). I felt like we pretty much knew what happened with him. While I *am* a firm believer in necropsies in many cases, I have to explain that with Benji, I just couldn't do it. I couldn't bear to keep him in my fridge until Dr. Dan could perform a necropsy, and for some reason, I just couldn't bear the thought of having him cut open and dissected. He'd been through so much already, and I just wanted to let him go peacefully. I know he wouldn't have been here to know the difference, but... but that's what I needed to do. Frankie would have been the only reason I'd want to do it, and I unfortunately didn't even think about that then.

Also, I just got a call about an hour ago that Benji's ashes are back. I guess they called me so I wouldn't be surprised when I got to work tomorrow morning. I have to admit that it's a little depressing. All this past week whenever we euthanized an animal and I packed them up, I would see the little black bag in the freezer with Benji inside. Every time I had to open that freezer, I told him that I loved him and I was sorry. This is the first time I've been a little upset to know that one of my little ones is now only ashes. I can't say why; I don't know. I didn't know the cremation company had come by to do the pickup. I guess it just makes him gone for real, forever.

chii
I Love Lucy

Post   » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:58 pm


And of course, just now I hear a pig screeching bloody murder (as in "OMG MOOSEY TRIED TO HUMP ME!!!"), so I went in to check on everyone and there's Frankie, staring at me with big, bright eyes. I reached in to pet her and say hello and she zooooomed off to the far corner of the cage where she proceeded to glare at me and chatter. Now I feel like I'm just being crazy.

Talishan
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Post   » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:26 pm


Don't think you're being crazy. Keep your appointment with Dr. Dan.

If both Frankie and Benji were lab pigs, they're related. In some way shape or form, however far (or not far) back, they're most likely related.

What's ADR?

"She sits with her eyes a little squinted. She lets the other pigs push her out of the way more than usual when they're eating or drinking."

I read this and thought teeth. Don't know why, but dental flashed into my mind.

chii
I Love Lucy

Post   » Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:26 pm


Ain't Doing Right

I'm sure he'll want to check her teeth. Will post his findings when we get back this afternoon.

chii
I Love Lucy

Post   » Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:35 pm


Seems that Frankie is doing just fine. He felt a little gas in her intestines, but not enough to worry about. He said that her squinting and not moving much the other day could have been a result of being gassy if it was causing her any pain. At any rate, no ovarian cysts found and he feels that she's much younger than Benji was.

He's having me bring Mama Pig in to see him, though. I asked him about her barbering and he suggested that it could be a symptom of ovarian cysts, so we need to check that out. No other hormonal symptoms or hair loss, just barbering herself anywhere she can reach (which is why I think she's doing it herself and not another pig, as there's on spot on her butt that's never barbered).

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